I've finally gotten around to purchasing one since everyone cannot believe I still do not have one I did have a Progress bar (22mm) back 3 years ago, but when I heard stories about subframe tearing I immediately sold it.

So now I don't know which setting to put it on with my setup. 350f/400r Ground Controls, -2.7 degrees front camber and -1.5 rear. Koni Yellows, ES bushings, 15x7" Kosei K1s, 205/50x15" Azenis (basically new), stock front sway bar. Pressures are: 40-42f, 43-48 rear.

First time out what should I try? The surface we run on is cured asphalt.

 

There is very little difference between the settings so I think it's a moot point. Start at the stiffest and work back if you feel the need.

 

I thought that my Comptech rear sway bar made an amazing difference in my 96 Integra LS.. going from 13mm to 24mm and then being on the hard setting.

I just have 1 word for ya:

Throttle Off Oversteer

OK, that is more than 1 word.. but get ready for it.. and get ready to have the car want to rotate.. please keep us updated on what you think..

USE THE HARD SETTING!!

 

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If you're used to lifting a bit, in say a slolum, then you'll have to adjust your driving habits... brake sooner, gas sooner... less trail braking will be needed.

Yeah definitely keep us posted on what you think.

 

full stiff

 

Full stiff, and as was mentioned before, the car will dance through slaloms like you won't believe, so don't get behind.

 

Extra inside front grip off corners should be nice, play with matting the gas earlier. Worked that way on my WRX...

 

I can see this is going to be an interesting weekend, you get a swaybar and I get hondata. Can't wait

 

Do not mean to threadjack but I've read somewhere that you have to run at least 250lbs springs rates in the back to avoid the subframe tear problems with any of the big (22-23mm) bars.

Tein SS for a Civic is rated at 224 which wouldnt be safe to run with the 22mm bar, anyone wants to chime in and explain?

 

That is why I made sure that I got the whole Tie Bar/Sway bar combo kit from Comptech for my Integra It looks great and works even better

 

mike, i still feel you need to stiffen your whole car up. i wouldn't even think of only a 350lb front spring for starters. bump the springs up to 500lbs all around and you'll be amazed at how much better the car works. and don't worry about streetability. 500lb rear spring isn't too bad at all. definitely no worse then hitting your bumpstop all the time.

the last couple of weeks i've been forced to run some 300lb springs on the front of my car. the thing is a complete pig right now. turn in response is chit, the amount of roll is nauseating, and the loss of grip is amazing. it's so bad i haven't even attempted to autocross it. stiff and flat =

nate

 

Well looks like the rear sway bar is out of stock AT every place I've looked.

NOPI, Comptech, Modacar, King Motorsports, and a few others. Anyone else know where people have these in stock?

Comptech says 4-6 weeks.

 

I say full stiff as well. I noticed a big difference from full soft to full stiff but thats just me. I also notice a big difference in shock settings on my kyb agx shocks yet the dyno graphs for them don't look much different.

I agree with nate about stiffening up the springs. I still think you could make one of those cars keep up with the 89-91's but my starting setup would be 500/650 or so.

 

Yeah, no way is that even close to being enough springrate on the car, especially one that is 2400lbs. Forget about the swaybar and up the rates.

Soon I might be almost 3x that on my STX ITR, front and rear

 

I've run my car at the medium setting on the Comptech bar all year. Been pretty pleased with how my car handles considering the set-up. 380/450 springs, Konis at full stiff in front, not-so-stiff in the rear. Definitely need more spring in front, I think next year I am going to run 475/550 or something. Don't want to go much higher because I can't afford to revalve my Konis.

 

Well anything over 500lb springs I need to revalve the Konis, right? What and where do I get them revalved at?

I was thinking 600f/700r springs for next year, but also been looking around at 1989-1991 and 1992-1995 Civic Si for another option.

I think the 1992-1995 Civic chassis would be another ideal car for STS. You can get the 5th Gen hatchback down to about 2100lbs (starting weight of a 1992 Civic Si is = 2326lbs)

Here is my list:
Car Weight HP TQ
1989 Civic Si HB 2161 108 108
1990 Civic Si HB 2291 108 108
1991 Civic Si HB 2291 108 108
1992 Civic Si HB 2326 125 106
1993 Civic Si HB 2390 125 106
1994 Civic Si HB 2390 125 106
1995 Civic Si HB 2390 125 106

Considering the lightest 1989 Civic Si I've heard of is 2050lbs'ish. You can probably strip out about 200lbs out of the 5th Gen chassis. Heck I stripped out already 250lbs on my 6th Gen with just basic bolt ons.

 

i ran 600lb front springs and 700lb rear springs on my OTS shocks with no problem. revalved shocks are significantly better, but it is my firm belief that the spring rate decision is different with SPSS rear shocks. it's probably something doing with street tires. i'm working on some ideas to get around it. i've gotta bounce some of them off Lee to see if they'll even work, but next year i may have a solution for it and will likely be on a vastly different setup then this year. Todd thinks he's gonna have some stiff springs....

nate

 

Dude, have you even read my posts?

I used 600/800 on my OTS Konis for a while and it worked. Didn't work optimally, but it was still good enough.

Your rates are way too low IMO, I thought you had already bought the bar and installed it or I wouldn't have refrained from being a "stiffen your car, pansy" ****.

Nate: From the settings I've settled upon, and driving my setup with the SPSS vs. OTS, I'd say I agree with you. I'm actually thinking of going stiffer with less rearward bias than I have now, maybe 750/900 although I'm starting to think my back and *** are going to get up and leave pretty soon...

 

I just got mine from irev120 off the suspension, tire, wheels forum. Might see if he has any left.

 

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Weaksauce

 

I don't have a toyota to tow my car, butthole! *kicks dirt*

 

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lol. I'm just messing with nate to get a response from him. Your text was good to quote.

 

So...can I borrow the truck though? Like, indefinitely maybe?