Sold for $10.95 a bottle.

Street/Track ?

Is it worth it ?

 

i can't see spendnig that much money on oil.

 

all the money you spend on oil changes might add up to some parts that you could buy for the R. A real performance part, not Performance OIL. Ick, thats expensive as ****!
each oil change - 50 bucks. 10 oil changes, 500 bucks. thats 30,000miles (for most of us)

 

except that you dont have to change your oil every 3k with synthetic.

conventional thinking should stay with conventional oil.

 

great, more thin Mobile 1 oil that my motor will burn right through...

 

Racing oil is potentially very bad to use on the street. Could do more damage than anything else.

 

I don't know anything about this oil (other than its viscosity, which seems to be thinner at colder temperatures than the 5W30 that Honda recommends). So now we hare questions about oil that is thinner than the factory recommendation, as well as those who espouse thicker oil. As we go down that slippery slope ...

Incidentally, Mobil states on its website that "Mobil 1 Racing 0W-30 is a different formula than Mobil 1 with SuperSyn 0W-30." Their product data sheet for the racing oil is here.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">(other than its viscosity, which seems to be thinner at colder temperatures than the 5W30 that Honda recommends)</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ken, Read the PDS.

http://www.mobil.com/USA-Engli...0.asp (5w30 Mobil1)

cSt @ 40º C 56
cSt @ 100º C 10


vs.

http://www.mobil.com/USA-Engli...0.asp (0w30 Mobil1 Racing)

cSt @ 40ºC 56
cSt @ 100ºC 10.3

 

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So why is one labeled 0W30, and the other 5W30?

 

Cold pour point

 

Good for Track but too expensive for Street, right???

 

0W30 is what Audi recomends for my 1.8T. The only bad part about it is its kind of hard to find, but its no more expensive than other Mobil1 here.

I would just stick with 5W30 for the Type R.

 

d00d WTF, how can such a thin oil be called "racing"? Maybe drag racing.

(Edit: The next statement is my opinion and not based on any evidence gathered by me If you don't care about your motor run a thin oil like that.

I'll stick with 15w50 or any other oil with ACEA A3 rating.

Mobil Racing 0w30 (Meets NO industry specifications)
HTHS Viscosity, mPa·s @ 150ºC ASTM D 4683 2.99

Mobil 1 5w30: (ACEA A1)
HTHS Viscosity, mPa·s @ 150ºC ASTM D 4683 3.08

Mobil 1 15w50: (ACEA A3)
HTHS Viscosity, mPa·s @ 150ºC ASTM D 4683 5.11

 

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racing oil today doesn't have to be thick, thinner oils can add couple more hp and save gas.. you just need it to last through the race or few before rebuild.

 

yup, this motor oil is thin like all other mobil1 30wts. but unlike the other m1 oils, its loaded with anti-wear additives especially ZDDP. when the oil film is squeezed out of an area so that metal to metal contact occurs, it is the anti-wear additives that comes into play and keeps the motor from failing. it is the final barrier of protection. too much ZDDP is the main reason that amsoil oils and m1R are not API certified.

id use this oil if i were into all motor drag racing and wanted to extract every bit of horsepower possible.

m1R is probably safe for street cars.
"We developed Mobil 1 Racing for people who live to drive
high-performance cars," said Tom Olszewski, technical services advisor
at ExxonMobil Lubricants & Specialties. "Whether they put Mobil 1
Racing in their Honda Civic or Grand Prix GTP supercharged engine,
drivers are going to notice a difference in how long their engine
lasts and how well it performs under extreme driving conditions."

do you remember that one nascar season where ryan newman was getting better gas mileage than everyone else and won a few races b/c of it. well this oil was first used exclusively by the penske nascar team that year.

 

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If its really a racing oil, it probably doesnt have detergents, probably isnt ment to last 3,000 miles, probably isnt designed to see cold weather, etc.

From what I've seen, racing oils can cause 2-3 times more wear in your daily driven engine than regular oils.

Only way to know is to test it with oil samples.

 

mobil1 R 0w-30 virgin oil analysis:

Aluminum 0
Chromium 0
Iron 1
Copper 0
Lead 0
Tin 0
Moly 78
Nickel 0
Maganese 0
Silver 0
Titanium 0
Potassium 0
Boron 178
Silicon 5
Sodium 14
Calcium 3024
Magnesium 13
Phosphorus 1399
Zinc 1536
Barium 0

SUS 62.3
Flash 435

TBN 13.5

sure this oil has a lot detergents. look at the calcium, theres over 3000 ppm in this oil which puts it on par with other API SL oils. also, look at the total base number its pretty high meaning that its safe for extended oci's. the 0w number shows that this oil will perform well under cold weather conditions.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ejprimo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the 0w number shows that this oil will perform well under cold weather conditions. </TD></TR></TABLE>

The 0 also means it has more polymers. This is bad because polymers break down with usage.

The end result is your 0W30 will turn into a 0W20 much faster than a 10w30 would.

Either way, I would like to see some used oil samples of this oil.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jond &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The 0 also means it has more polymers. This is bad because polymers break down with usage.

The end result is your 0W30 will turn into a 0W20 much faster than a 10w30 would.
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thats is not always the case. mobil1 10w-30 has more viscosity index improvers (VII) than the german made castrol syntec 0w-30. compare both of their viscosities at 40C and youll see than the syntec 0w-30 is thicker at 40C. find the difference between the viscosity at 40c and 100C and youll see that mobil1 10w-30 has a larger viscosity range than syntec 0w-30 meaning that it uses more VII.

esters have a naturally high viscosity index meaning that you do not need a lot of VII to reach the desired sae grade. did you know that in reality redline 10w-30 is a straight weight 30wt. b/c no VII are used in this oil. it has a naturally high viscosity index b/c of the ester basestock used in the oil. also, synthetic has a higher viscosity index that dino oils so less VII are used in synthetics than conventional oils.

i will tell you that virgin mobil1 10w-30 is closer to a 20wt. than virgin castrol syntec 0w-30. you only have to lose .5cst before the m1 5w-30 is a 20wt. with GC 0w-30 youll need to lose over 2cst before the viscosity becomes a 20wt. lastly, the fact that the castrol syntec 0w-30 is an ACEA A3 shows that it is a stable stay-in-grade motor oil.

there is a m1r used oil analysis on bitog but the guy mixed in 1qt. of mobil1 0w-30 and added mugen oil treatment so it isnt a true analysis.

 

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thats is not always the case. mobil1 10w-30 has more viscosity index improvers (VII) than the german made castrol syntec 0w-30. compare both of their viscosities at 40C and youll see than the syntec 0w-30 is thicker at 40C. find the difference between the viscosity at 40c and 100C and youll see that mobil1 10w-30 has a larger viscosity range than syntec 0w-30 meaning that it uses more VII.

esters have a naturally high viscosity index meaning that you do not need a lot of VII to reach the desired sae grade. did you know that in reality redline 10w-30 is a straight weight 30wt. b/c no VII are used in this oil. it has a naturally high viscosity index b/c of the ester basestock used in the oil. also, synthetic has a higher viscosity index that dino oils so less VII are used in synthetics than conventional oils.

i will tell you that virgin mobil1 10w-30 is closer to a 20wt. than virgin castrol syntec 0w-30. you only have to lose .5cst before the m1 5w-30 is a 20wt. with GC 0w-30 youll need to lose over 2cst before the viscosity becomes a 20wt. lastly, the fact that the castrol syntec 0w-30 is an ACEA A3 shows that it is a stable stay-in-grade motor oil.

there is a m1r used oil analysis on bitog but the guy mixed in 1qt. of mobil1 0w-30 and added mugen oil treatment so it isnt a true analysis.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Which one is better? GC 0w-30 or Mobil 1R 0w-30?

How about the ester base new Motul 300v 5w30 or 5w40?




Modified by bcrl at 6:20 AM 8/4/2004

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ejprimo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thats is not always the case. mobil1 10w-30 has more viscosity index improvers (VII) than the german made castrol syntec 0w-30. compare both of their viscosities at 40C and youll see than the syntec 0w-30 is thicker at 40C. find the difference between the viscosity at 40c and 100C and youll see that mobil1 10w-30 has a larger viscosity range than syntec 0w-30 meaning that it uses more VII. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Can you explain this another way. I'm not following.

I thought the first number is what the oil is, period. The second number is whats achieved at temperature through the use of additives. Is that not right?

 

 

this is bad for normal use; it can wear out your seals. I was told this by a tech at the dealership.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by importtuner &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this is bad for normal use; it can wear out your seals. I was told this by a tech at the dealership.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You're kidding right?

 

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You're kidding right?</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's bad for the seals.....baby seals.