They are trying to shut it down because they say its "too loud".

Please take a few seconds of your time, and sign this petition. IT'S QUICK!

Please!

Thanks!!!

I know this might be in the wrong forum, but we just need sigs bad!

Add this to your sig if you don't mind: http://www.thepetitionsite.com...08155

 

cmon guys! sign it..it takes less than 10 secs.

 

not really fond of englishtown.

hosts a lot of decent events, but of lately its just been going down hill.

right smack middle of NJ, being a magnet for stunnas/ricers/people racing on the streets after watching their favorite car do it on the strip, etc.

i dont think you will find many sympathizers here, but perhaps i'll be wrong.

 

they have been trying to close that track since I was a little kid, but let me tell ya they keep building the houses closer and closer to the track and some of those people have money and connections. So petition or not if they want it closed it will get closed.


good luck Raceway park. Your on your own on this.

 

We could always blow **** up.

 

BYE BYE!

 

Nothin for nothin but this flippant attitude towards an impending track closure could just as well effect a favorite road course and I'm sure the bandwagon mentality would be quite different.

I'm signing it since:

A) The ******** that complain keep building closer and knew beforehand that it was there.

B) Closing it will limit local legal racers choices of possible tracks, and give the "I ain't got a place to race" illegal street racer even more validity.

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C) Just because it could also happen to a road course just as easily,,, Remember Arizona Motorsports park?

 

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B) Closing it will limit local legal racers choices of possible tracks, and give the "I ain't got a place to race" illegal street racer even more validity.
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Excellent point and for that reason alone I will sign the petition.

 

signed!

 

thanks guys.

 

If they close that shithole down that'll mean they'll be less, "R stolen from E-Town lot" threads.

Good ridance to a good track loaded with thieves.

 

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so its the tracks fault that r's get jacked there? NO.

theives target that place (and many other desolate parking lots) because they know that r's sit out there, improperly secured alot, unattended, so its easy hunting. there are alot of places you dont take your car, or you have to be really careful taking it. drag strips are just one place, out of many, that you must be careful at.

what about bad neighborhoods, mall parking lots, colleges, movie theatres? should we tear them down because some type r guys let their car slip, and got it jacked?

its up to car owners to do all they can to secure their cars, and to be careful where they take them, it sucks, but its just the way our world works.


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Good ridance to a good track loaded with thieves.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you're an idiot.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by opie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If they close that shithole down that'll mean they'll be less, "R stolen from E-Town lot" threads.

Good ridance to a good track loaded with thieves.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Closure of a track and Management and Security said track are two and possibly even three different subjects.

Does everybody realize how difficult it is to even open a track these days?

True I'm not a 1/4 mile drag race fan, and have never even been to the title track but I'd much rather see change of management or security practices than total closure as I'm sure many other motorsports fans would agree.

The element and atmosphere can be altered with the proper management.

Closing it for condo's or houses doesn't help our collective plight.

 

smart man.

 

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You may not agree when you read further:


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so its the tracks fault that r's get jacked there? NO. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually you are incorrect. If the place was run well, owners and spectators should not have to deal with such issues.

The last thing or place I'd want to deal with is a place that requires me to bring my own security or to constantly have to watch over my shoulder for fear of my stuff or even my car going missing.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">theives target that place (and many other desolate parking lots) because they know that r's sit out there, improperly secured alot, unattended, so its easy hunting. there are alot of places you dont take your car, or you have to be really careful taking it. drag strips are just one place, out of many, that you must be careful at.</TD></TR></TABLE>

And this should be accepted? I don't think so. I shouldn't be able to bring my "race car" to a "race track" without fear and the threat of general B.S. thievery that permeates the rest of the outside world?

I couldn't disagree more


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what about bad neighborhoods, mall parking lots, colleges, movie theatres? should we tear them down because some type r guys let their car slip, and got it jacked? </TD></TR></TABLE>

No, we constantly have to be on the offensive and concerned to the point of continuous headaches but this isn't something that should just be accepted as a norm and include every place especially a race track.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its up to car owners to do all they can to secure their cars, and to be careful where they take them, it sucks, but its just the way our world works.</TD></TR></TABLE>

True, but it doesn't make it right, and if that's how this track is run there there are some more serious issues they must deal with. And Yes I do remember the guy recently or guys that lost their cars there. It's total Bullshit, and the track should change things to safegurad and protect enthusiasts as well as participants.

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Labeling him because he doesn't neccessarily agree with your perspective doesn't help your cause at all.

 

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you're an idiot.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i do agree with you here Opie is an idiot

 

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Actually you are incorrect. If the place was run well, owners and spectators should not have to deal with such issues.</TD></TR></TABLE>


"run well"? what are we to do?

protest that the track should tighten up security? it would be nice, the day we do that, we'll also protest movie theatres, malls, colleges, or any large parking lot that is difficult to attend as well.

be realistic, there are alot of unsafe places for certain cars, its just the way the world works, and it sucks, but we can't complain to all the business's that are like this. its up to us as knowing adults, to make smart decisions, considering we know what happens at particular places.

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The last thing or place I'd want to deal with is a place that requires me to bring my own security or to constantly have to watch over my shoulder for fear of my stuff or even my car going missing.</TD></TR></TABLE>


well, you'll be avoiding alot of places then. sucks, but its reality.

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And this should be accepted? I don't think so. I shouldn't be able to bring my "race car" to a "race track" without fear and the threat of general B.S. thievery that permeates the rest of the outside world?

I couldn't disagree more </TD></TR></TABLE>


who said ANYTHING about being accepted? not me. i agree, you "should" be able to take your car ANYWHERE without fear and the threat of general B.S., but, its not the way it is. once again, harsh reality.

the world is full or things that we "shouldn't" have to accept, and stolen cars are near the bottom of the list.

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No, we constantly have to be on the offensive and concerned to the point of continuous headaches but this isn't something that should just be accepted as a norm and include every place especially a race track.</TD></TR></TABLE>


"isn't something that should be accepted as a norm"? well, sorry to break it to you, but it IS a norm, because out world sucks in alot of ways, and type r's are a big target. we can't change that either.

things are not deemed "normal", by whether we accept them or not.
they are deemed "normal" based on if it's happening frequently.

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True, but it doesn't make it right, and if that's how this track is run there there are some more serious issues they must deal with. And Yes I do remember the guy recently or guys that lost their cars there. It's total Bullshit, and the track should change things to safegurad and protect enthusiasts as well as participants.</TD></TR></TABLE>


it is bullshit, i agree.
i can't speak on behalf of the track, but i'm sure its either they don't have the extra money for extra security measures, or they dont care. either way, we are aware of it, it sucks, so you make your decisions accordingly.

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Labeling him because he doesn't neccessarily agree with your perspective doesn't help your cause at all. </TD></TR></TABLE>


true. i'm kind of a jerk sometimes. i apoligize for that comment.

 

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A) The ******** that complain keep building closer and knew beforehand that it was there.

B) Closing it will limit local legal racers choices of possible tracks, and give the "I ain't got a place to race" illegal street racer even more validity.

C) Just because it could also happen to a road course just as easily,,, Remember Arizona Motorsports park?
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a) Granted, but thats freedom. if they want to try to use $$$ to influence people of power, ok, nothing new this is america.

b) this arguement was never valid to begin with. if they want to race on the streets, i say go for it. a sudden surge in street racing will cause many policed communities to take a more serious stance against street racing. At first it may be bad but over time the darwin candidates will either meet darwin, or jail for life.

c) i think that this point is moot only because their situation was not the same as this one.

 

A) *gets pop corn*

B) Both sides gave valid points

C) *hasn't been to E-town in about two years, but would be sad to see it shut down*

D) never met Opie, did not know he's an idiot

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kamil &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A) *gets pop corn*

B) Both sides gave valid points

C) *hasn't been to E-town in about two years, but would be sad to see it shut down*

D) never met Opie, did not know he's an idiot </TD></TR></TABLE>

lol

 

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D) never met Opie, did not know he's an idiot </TD></TR></TABLE>

never met him either in person, but from speaking to him, i pretty much can certify him as person with clown syndrome

 

Ahh the entertainment value on a Sunday night.

I said what I said originally because it IS always a shame to lose any track/strip unless it will be remodeled or improved, and it clearly sounds like Englishtown needs some improvment in several areas But, that's a seperate issue as I already mentioned.

I'm extremely realistic for the record, I don't daily drive my car and don't park it in any public parking spot, but again that's a seperate issue.

What concerned me most and why I retorted to TECH43 RACING INC. was that almost as flippantly as others jumped on and flamed and said "who gives a ****", TECH43 mentions all the relative negatives about this track as if it's a dog eat dog world and you just have to take **** and like it. You don't. Maybe I just misunderstood his comments.

You don't have to attend a track with an insecure history as the above, and you should watch out for yourself, stuff and car, that is clearly already our second nature but you also don't have to accept it and Not say anything about it.

Maybe the track management should be revamped, maybe their loss prevention and security should be improved,

But for certain it's never a "I don't give a ****" good thing when a track closed altogether for housing developments or other.


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a) Granted, but thats freedom. if they want to try to use $$$ to influence people of power, ok, nothing new this is america.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's America, and funny enough if the petition signed saves the track, it's also America.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">b) this arguement was never valid to begin with. if they want to race on the streets, i say go for it. a sudden surge in street racing will cause many policed communities to take a more serious stance against street racing. At first it may be bad but over time the darwin candidates will either meet darwin, or jail for life.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I never subsrcibed to the notion that less track will promote more street racing but you know those types as well as I and know that this is their first lame assed excuse. Serious stance? You joking Tom, this has been going on forever. My other half to this is that legal racers lose anoither track and that sucks.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">c) i think that this point is moot only because their situation was not the same as this one.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Never said it was the same situation, I mentioned it because a community complained about noise and then used the point of the permit to finalize the closure.

Now who had the popcorn,,, I got a !




Modified by 1GreyTeg at 8:46 PM 8/1/2004

 

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you're an idiot.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I couldn't agree with you more

To tell the truth, I actually like E-Town a lot. However, the stress it put me through the few times I went there to run my R was hell. That's why I wouldn't care if that place got fire bombed.

The tents set up on race days that sell ricer parts are the only attraction there

 

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i do agree with you here Opie is an idiot</TD></TR></TABLE>

Come find me and fight me.

 

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I couldn't agree with you more
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at least you are aware, and honest.

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To tell the truth, I actually like E-Town a lot.
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could have fooled us.

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That's why I wouldn't care if that place got fire bombed.
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what a great way to support the racing/honda community!

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The tents set up on race days that sell ricer parts are the only attraction there
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now it all makes sense, now I understand why you are such a jackass.

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Come find me and fight me.</TD></TR></TABLE>


lol...tough guy huh???