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Old Jul 28, 2004 | 05:56 PM
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Replaced starter. Car won't crank (as in the starter won't even crank). Took new starter to parts store to have it checked. Tested fine. they hooked it up, and it spun like a madman. I took it home, hooked it up, and jack ****. replaced the ignition switch (wiring from key cylinder to fuse panel/wiring harness) and still nada. clutch switch and starter relay (under dash) both test fine. battery's fine (all windows, moonroof, lights, etc. work as before).


WHAT THE ****
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Old Jul 28, 2004 | 10:04 PM
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Default Re: Still trouble starting after replacing just about everything. (Armed Ferret)

Do you think the ignition cylinder (where the key gets put in) is the culprit. Try to wiggle the key while you turn it. I had the same problem and it drove me crazy, and finally i figured out how to turn it on. To this day the cylinder is still bad and I still have to wiggle it to turn it on. Its either that, or maybe your IG fuse in the engine fuse box has popped. If its not that, then double check everything you did, you never know, it could be something as simple as a loose wire! Hope this helps man!

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Old Jul 29, 2004 | 01:25 AM
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it could be your main relay under the dash i think proaably depends on the car. if u blew that just go to honda and get a new they're not that expensive between 50- 150 ithink... hope it works
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Old Jul 29, 2004 | 06:51 AM
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if the starter is not cranking that mean it is not getting a 12 volt source, or the signal wires is the problem, check for voltage on both wires
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Old Jul 29, 2004 | 02:48 PM
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i have voltage everywhere. obviously if i have power going TO the starter, the relay works.
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Old Jul 29, 2004 | 03:02 PM
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did you check it with a voltmeter?, it could be the power wire or the switch wire.
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Old Jul 29, 2004 | 03:44 PM
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switched power wire at the starter only has 9v. this was repeated using 2 different ignition switches.

ideas?
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Old Jul 29, 2004 | 03:50 PM
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Battery problems can be deceiving at times. I say you try a friends battery just to be on the safe side. Sometimes batteries have internal shorts and can make the battery seem like its fine (windows roll up at normal speeds, headlights are bright, etc), yet there's not enough juice to start the car...

Check all of your fuses.

Check your ground wires!

Check to see if the you have the everything connected to the starter correctly. There's a little connector that needs to be plugged into the starter besides the 12mm power line (its right near the 12mm power line), if you didn't know....(wish I had a picture to show you), make sure thats plugged in or the starter won't work.

Check any engine wire harness plugs, see if there slightly disconnected
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Old Jul 29, 2004 | 03:54 PM
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all plugs are fine, all grounds are secure (4-ga wire), and the little spade connector of which you speak is the wire at which i only have 9v.

same is true with 2 different known good batteries.
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Old Jul 29, 2004 | 04:31 PM
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put 12 volts direclt on the starter signal terminal..it will turn..check for resistance in each wire and look for an open or bad connection
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Old Jul 29, 2004 | 04:33 PM
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by each wire, which wires are you talking about, and how do you suggest i test for resistance from the interior of the car all the way down into the engine bay?
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Old Jul 29, 2004 | 06:42 PM
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update:
current at ignition switch, to starter: 12.6V
current at starter relay from ignition: 12.6V
current at starter relay to starter: 12.6V
current at starter from constant, grounded on starter: 12.6V
current at starter from constant, grounded to chassis: 12.6V
current at starter from ignition switch, grounded to starter: 11.5V*
current at starter from ignition switch, grounded to chassis: 11.5V*
result of jumping starter from battery terminal: nothing happened.
when the starter was tested at the parts store, it worked just fine.

* = with the key turned to 'start', obviously a bit of a voltage drop is expected.
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Old Jul 30, 2004 | 01:42 PM
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no other ideas?
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Old Jul 30, 2004 | 02:22 PM
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Its an grounding issue check all your ground to the chassis, car behind the upper water neck, etc.......
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Old Jul 30, 2004 | 02:23 PM
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on the car mistypo
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Old Jul 30, 2004 | 03:33 PM
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all righty, i'll re-check grounds after dinner.

Help me out with a checklist really quick here:

--water neck (t-stat housing)
--transmission to chassis
--valve cover to chassis

anywhere else?
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Old Aug 1, 2004 | 08:09 PM
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add another ground and see if it will work
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Old Aug 1, 2004 | 08:51 PM
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problem was fixed already. i just figured that with nearly 100 views, and half the posts in the thread from me, that it wasn't a huge issue for anyone.
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Old Aug 8, 2004 | 05:30 PM
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starter selenoid?
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Old Aug 10, 2004 | 12:28 AM
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Default Re: Still trouble starting after replacing just about everything. (Armed Ferret)

Lets see.. Starter doesn't work at home but works at the Parts Store.. No hard feelings but, it was just kind of disappointing how a lot of the guys here jumped around to try and fix the problem..

I guess for future reference, before replacing your starter, check your starter ground. Or better yet, remove your starter and set it on the ground. Then with your car battery, jump power to it and manually ground it with a huge thick screwdriver.. That's pretty much what they do at the Parts Store..
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