Experience with Toyo Proxes 4 tires?
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Toyo Tire Help
Has anyone got a chance to run the new Toyo Proxes 4 on their itr??
I currently run a set of T1's and they are gettin kinda nekked so I am considering replacing them with an all season in hopes to get some longer treadlife. The Proxe 4 seems like the only logical replacement. I do not want to lose the crazy water performance the T1s offers...
I currently run a set of T1's and they are gettin kinda nekked so I am considering replacing them with an all season in hopes to get some longer treadlife. The Proxe 4 seems like the only logical replacement. I do not want to lose the crazy water performance the T1s offers...
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Were they underinflated?
Were they underinflated?
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Toyo Tires are excellent... T1S' specifically. I never had a tire to match it in the rain. You might have been using the Toyo all season crap tire but there higher line of tire is much better. Aside from the flaming comments the question was not answered.
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I don't have an ITR, but I do use the T1S's. I do not think it is a waste of money. they work for me 
the reason why they are nekked is because of AutOX? track events? or just plain fun driving? all of the above?
-Aoib0t, who is VERY happy with his tires. I guesh the tires used by Speed Touring Cars suck too (Toyo
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the reason why they are nekked is because of AutOX? track events? or just plain fun driving? all of the above?
-Aoib0t, who is VERY happy with his tires. I guesh the tires used by Speed Touring Cars suck too (Toyo
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Re: Toyo Tire Help (jdmvtec28)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdmvtec28 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I currently run a set of T1's and they are gettin kinda nekked so I am considering replacing them with an all season in hopes to get some longer treadlife.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It doesn't make any sense at all to use an all-season tire for longer treadlife. For one thing, all season tires don't necessarily have longer treadlife than normal high-performance tires. For another thing, all-season tires have poorer performance on dry pavement in spring, summer, and fall than high-performance tires. The ONLY advantage of all-season tires is that they do better in snow and in frigid cold (and sacrifice performance the rest of the time to achieve that); if you don't plan to use them in those conditions, there's no reason to get them.
Why don't you just get a high-performance tire that does well in rain and lasts a long time, AND has great summer performance too? If you want to spend money, the Bridgestone S-03 or the Bridgestone RE010 (OEM tire for the ITR) are two options; if you don't want to spend a lot, then the Yokohama AVS ES100 is almost as good as those, for about half the price. Comes in the stock 195/55-15 size, too.
It doesn't make any sense at all to use an all-season tire for longer treadlife. For one thing, all season tires don't necessarily have longer treadlife than normal high-performance tires. For another thing, all-season tires have poorer performance on dry pavement in spring, summer, and fall than high-performance tires. The ONLY advantage of all-season tires is that they do better in snow and in frigid cold (and sacrifice performance the rest of the time to achieve that); if you don't plan to use them in those conditions, there's no reason to get them.
Why don't you just get a high-performance tire that does well in rain and lasts a long time, AND has great summer performance too? If you want to spend money, the Bridgestone S-03 or the Bridgestone RE010 (OEM tire for the ITR) are two options; if you don't want to spend a lot, then the Yokohama AVS ES100 is almost as good as those, for about half the price. Comes in the stock 195/55-15 size, too.
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Re: Toyo Tire Help (nsxtasy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
It doesn't make any sense at all to use an all-season tire for longer treadlife. For one thing, all season tires don't necessarily have longer treadlife than normal high-performance tires. For another thing, all-season tires have poorer performance on dry pavement in spring, summer, and fall than high-performance tires. The ONLY advantage of all-season tires is that they do better in snow and in frigid cold (and sacrifice performance the rest of the time to achieve that); if you don't plan to use them in those conditions, there's no reason to get them.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I concur.
Most all season tires are **** - and not meant for sports cars.
If you like Toyos - stick with the T1S
It doesn't make any sense at all to use an all-season tire for longer treadlife. For one thing, all season tires don't necessarily have longer treadlife than normal high-performance tires. For another thing, all-season tires have poorer performance on dry pavement in spring, summer, and fall than high-performance tires. The ONLY advantage of all-season tires is that they do better in snow and in frigid cold (and sacrifice performance the rest of the time to achieve that); if you don't plan to use them in those conditions, there's no reason to get them.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I concur.
Most all season tires are **** - and not meant for sports cars.
If you like Toyos - stick with the T1S
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Re: Toyo Tire Help (Big Phat R)
The reason I was opting for the all season tire was not because I think it last longer, but because the treadwear ratings are generally higher. So actually yes I was thinking an all season tire would last longer. I am running a set of Prelude Sh wheels on the ITR during the summer. I am looking to replace the tires and the 205/45/16 profile is akward so not that many tire companies produce high po tires in that size... My options thus far have been the Dunlop SP Sport9000, Gooyear Eagle F1 GS-D3, Pirelli P Zero Nero, Toyo T1s, Toyo Proxes 4.
The only tires I have not tried are the goodyears and the Proxes 4's and from the reviews I read about the Goodyears they are not really comprable to either Toyo. WTF? I can see it now inevitably I am gonna end up with the T1s'
The only tires I have not tried are the goodyears and the Proxes 4's and from the reviews I read about the Goodyears they are not really comprable to either Toyo. WTF? I can see it now inevitably I am gonna end up with the T1s'
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Re: Toyo Tire Help (jdmvtec28)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdmvtec28 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My options thus far have been the Dunlop SP Sport9000, Gooyear Eagle F1 GS-D3, Pirelli P Zero Nero, Toyo T1s, Toyo Proxes 4.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The Dunlop SP9000 last forever, and are great in the rain. But they are not very good at all on dry pavement, compared to most top of the line tires.
The Goodyear tires have gotten outstanding test results on the Tire Rack website and are worth trying (or, at least, reading their test results). The Pirellis have gotten some good reviews too. Either tire should perform better in most circumstances than either Toyo.
The Dunlop SP9000 last forever, and are great in the rain. But they are not very good at all on dry pavement, compared to most top of the line tires.
The Goodyear tires have gotten outstanding test results on the Tire Rack website and are worth trying (or, at least, reading their test results). The Pirellis have gotten some good reviews too. Either tire should perform better in most circumstances than either Toyo.
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Re: Toyo Tire Help (nsxtasy)
I have experinced the P Zero Nero and was not to impressed with the rain performance. As for the Goodyear I went through about 30-40 reviews on them and everyone says they are excellent in the rain but suffer when it comes to hard abuse in dry weather. Its all about comprimise I guess.
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Re: Toyo Tire Help (jdmvtec28)
I've run the older Proxes FZ4 (got them free, long story). Also the T1S and the Pirellis (came on the car). I have not tried the new 4's.
The Proxes seem to work well in all conditions, and have better wet performance than the Azeni's (suck in the wet) and the RE10's. :edit: Dry traction does not suck like some may suggest. It's actually pretty darn good. Unless you are crappy driver, and drive at the absolute limits, you may not be able to tell the difference.
I don't think they offer that much more tread life tho (a little more, sorry no empirical data, I don't really keep track of mileage for tires, just use them up). The Proxes are still noisy too. But they're (relatively) inexpensive. No quality problems here, and I thrash tires due to hard driving (70% twisties) and lots of rough (highly granular) pavement where I drive.
You'll have to decide what your intended use is. Check the treadwear numbers each tire is rated for. That may hep in deciding if there's any wear benefit.
Modified by Ill at 9:16 PM 7/23/2004
The Proxes seem to work well in all conditions, and have better wet performance than the Azeni's (suck in the wet) and the RE10's. :edit: Dry traction does not suck like some may suggest. It's actually pretty darn good. Unless you are crappy driver, and drive at the absolute limits, you may not be able to tell the difference.
I don't think they offer that much more tread life tho (a little more, sorry no empirical data, I don't really keep track of mileage for tires, just use them up). The Proxes are still noisy too. But they're (relatively) inexpensive. No quality problems here, and I thrash tires due to hard driving (70% twisties) and lots of rough (highly granular) pavement where I drive.
You'll have to decide what your intended use is. Check the treadwear numbers each tire is rated for. That may hep in deciding if there's any wear benefit.
Modified by Ill at 9:16 PM 7/23/2004
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