Hi all, this is my first post and I have some questions want to ask for my JDM B18C5 motor. I got an engine swapped last Fall for my Civic and now want to upgrade my engine parts from Spoon. However, before I do that, I hope there are some Spoon enthusiaists out there to help me to figure out what I will get from my engine if I purchase those from Spoon. I am saving up to purchase Spoon engine parts first and then save some more for the installation as I know the installation is not cheap for installing and replacing engine parts and it is best to do all of them at once. I would like to upgrade the following (please remind me if I am missing anything important): Camshafts, Cam Gear (currently using AEMs), pistons with rings, connecting rods, valve springs, rocker arms, headgasket, valve set (not sure if I should replace them). I am not sure if I am missing anything to build my motor all Spoon. In addition, if someone knows what kind of performance and compression ratio out of these parts, it will be nice. Thanks and I appreicate if someone can answer all these questions.

 

Say Spoon again.

There are other brands out there guy. Some also outperform Spoon and cost less in some cases.

If you like you can use the search feature in the upper right corner of this page and search Spoon.

Welcome to H-T

 

To be brief ... "Spoon" doesn't necessarily offer all those different replacement parts.

Maybe you'd just be satisfied with my Kevlar/CF SPOON plug wire cover (I promise not to charge more than %100 more than what I bought it for).

 

sell your b18c5 and then buy the spoon crate motor, i'm sure its cheaper this way. thats if you really want a spoon spec motor. like opie said, search around you will fimd better parts that are less expensive.

 

Thanks for all those replies that quick. The reason why I picked Spoon was because I want my motor to be in JDM form, and second, I am not sure what other brands perform better and cheaper than Spoon. I know Spoon parts are expensive, but please give me some advice here on what brands are good for what parts because I have been looking around in the forum and there is no 1 answer for it. So please feel free to give me suggestion. Thanks again guys

 

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Oh wow.. engine codes changed. now b18c5 is the JDM ITR motor! Anway, b18c5= usdm itr motor, stampped b18c (but actually b18c6/7), is the JDM ITR motor.

 

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Oh wow.. engine codes changed. now b18c5 is the JDM ITR motor! Anway, b18c5= usdm itr motor, stampped b18c (but actually b18c6/7), is the JDM ITR motor.
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actually a B18C6 is a Euro spec ITR motor and B18C7 is an Aussie spec ITR motor.

 

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Hang out here and search around for specific parts "ie, pistons, header, intake, etc" using the search feature. You can also check the FAQ, some of your questions might be answered there. The search feature should not be dismissed though as it's an excellent tool for finding answers.

I'm going to have to agree with the others though, not wanting anything but spoon isn't the best choice. There are any number of parts that are just as good, if not better, for the same or less money. Yes, some of those aren't made in Japan, but neither are Spoon wheels..

 

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Oh wow.. engine codes changed. now b18c5 is the JDM ITR motor! Anway, b18c5= usdm itr motor, stampped b18c (but actually b18c6/7), is the JDM ITR motor.
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Oh wow - engine codes DID change!

6/7 are as described above.... japanese b18c is both gsr and itr (still).

 

Spoom

 

I have a Spoon 4-1 header for sale

 

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Negative. The use K20's now

I know whut j00 meant, just ******* with j00.

 

Someday I will actually install it...
Spoon does not manufacture their own engine internals, they balance and blueprint OEM honda parts, except for their camshafts and cam gears that is...

 

For parts, Spoon isn't the only or best choice out there. Spoon got popular in the racing world is because of their tuning, bling, race car setup, bling again, and the overall balance of their cars, not because of their parts.

With that said, you better off getting a crate motor from Spoon, fully balanced and blueprinted and enjoy the smoothness and dependability of it. If you want high power, you need to look somewhere else like JUN or Toda.

 

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Do they actually manufacture ANY of their own parts?

 

i used to be a quote unquote spoon *****. to tell you the truth, spoon is played out to the max. i am now to the point where i have sold most of my spoon stuff for other things.

 

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Because of class rules restriction, they don't use their own cams and cam gears (or any other internals, not even the smurf brakes) on their race cars. Those parts were made for the public or amatuer racing scene, something they need to do to financially support their business.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mugen Mike &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do they actually manufacture ANY of their own parts?</TD></TR></TABLE>

They do have a 1.8L stroker kit for the EG/EK and 2.0L stroker kit for the DC2, although they don't really "manufacture" them in house. Just like JUN pistons are manfactured by Cosworth (not Sean on HT ).

 

Just FYI, specs on the Spoom Motor:

Following are the specs for the "infamous" Spoon B series motor as queried by the masses.


"Here are the details of the Spoon "engine" / longblock once again:

- it is a new 98 spec R longblock
- internal components are JDM OE Honda with the following exceptions
- it is fully balanced and blueprinted
- it uses the Spoon 2 piece headgasket for a compression ratio of 11.3:1
- it uses the Spoon oil pump which is stronger and more effective than the OE Honda one
- it should put out around 180hp at the wheel

what is 'balanced and blueprinted by Spoon'?
- all engine components are weighed to 0.01grams precision
- engine components such as pistons and rods are balanced, they all weigh within 0.01gram of each other
- Spoon is able to balance these components because they order/weigh/sort hundreds of pistons, rods, etc. from Honda and sort them into balanced sets
- bolts are torqued within 0.01N/M of Honda specs
- what does balancing and blueprinting do? it makes the engine run incredibly smooth, reduces power lost to inefficiency, power delivery is extremely smooth, power is higher across the entire rpm band compared to a Honda assembled engine, engine/throttle response is much better, the engine revs smoother/faster and is able to withstand high rpm better, engine life is improved considerably especially in race environments

why does Spoon offer this engine?
- Spoon's core philosophy is in balance: good power, good driving feel, and long life. this engine offers all
- circuit racing requirements differ from drag racing: an engine with the aforementioned characteristics is preferred in circuit racing over a high power, less reliable engine which might be favored in drag racing
- these engines are frequently bought by pro race teams competing according to FIA Group N regulations which require stock internal motors. hence they need an engine which has maximum effectiveness and efficiency using stock parts

who should consider a Spoon engine?
- pro/amateur racers requiring a motor in stock trim (FIA Group N)
- circuit racers/enthusiasts who want an optimized stock motor for circuit use
- people who want a new stock or reliable motor with decent power

who shouldn't consider a Spoon engine?
- drag racers
- people on tight budget or DIY
- people who want a high power setup, N/A or Turbo
- people who don't care about or aren't sensitive to subjective intangibles such as driving feel or engine response

what is the price of a Spoon engine or block?
- it is priced comparably to the price of a new b18c5 longblock/shortblock from Acura considering the work Spoon has put into it
- remember it is a NEW longblock/shortblock
- price fluctuates with supply and demand, although spoon engines aren't common here, remember that they are very common and popular in Japan and Asia
- expect price to increase over time as the supply of b18c components dwindles
- contact an authorized Spoon dealer such as IPS, R&D, A&J for a price quote

does/why doesn't Spoon offer a high power engine?
- again, Spoon's philosophy is balance. to Spoon, high power is only worthwhile if the engine can endure the stress of a 24 hour race. to Spoon, a street tuned engine needs to be comfortable and reliable while delivering improved power and driving feel
- Spoon has built and sold high power engines with 200+whp... high compression kits and stroker kits including a 2L kit for the 18C. However, the reliability and engine life of these engines still aren't good enough for Spoon's standards and hence Spoon does not offer them anymore
- Spoon doesn't drag race"


Credit to Spikey...

 

Thank you very much for this detailed explanation about Spoon parts and motors. Yes, now I kinda understand why Spoon are not popular in US due to the popularity of high power and Spoon does not do anything for just that. However, I do want some maximum output from my motor by upgrading internals. I think I am still a long way to find what parts are good for my Type R motor. Some of you mentioned about JUN and Toda and I want to know (best in details) which one is better and why. Thanks and it is a wonderful forum to talk about techincal stuff.

 

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Just out of curiosity, what are you shooting for? What are you going to be using the car for? Do you have a specific goal in mind, like good midrange power, or a lot of top end power? Road racing, drag racing, etc? It might be a little easier to determine which direction to go, if you know what it is you're in search of.

 

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Dude, re read my post, especially the line about searching. You can find most of your answers using the search ("toda cams" or "jun cams" or "toda header" etc for example). Then, when you have a better understanding of what you want to do, then ask.

But first, answer the question right above this post..