So, i broke a JUN Titanium retainer the other day, and while going over the repairs, I thought about maybe putting the itr cams back in and setting up the car for H2 next year. Then, I looked at the results on the NASA website and it seems as thought there is only one car registered in H2. Can the itr, if setup properly, run with the hatchbacks that weigh nothing??? What class do you guys suggest??

 

You'd probobly get better results asking in the RR forum.

I know that both Curpier and Franza have R's in H2. They seem to do very well.

Here are some results.

http://honda-challenge.com/rac...s.php

Based on Corey doing very well in his Lude in H1, anything is possible, w/the right driver

EDIT: I just checked classing, it doesn't show any hatchbacks in H2

H2

93-96 Prelude VTEC
97+ Prelude (all)
Integra Type-R
Accord V6 (all)
RSX Type-S
CL Type-S

http://honda-challenge.com/drivers/classes.php

 

You broke a retainer, and that made you want to get a racing license and run in the HC? Damn.

 

lol. I have actually been tossing the idea around for about 9 months now. I have had a six point cage sitting in my garage since last summer, it just got me thinking that it might be less expensive to run in H2 and just run factory internals, and if something breaks.... I won't have to replace things that cost an arm and a leg.

I actually looked at the east coast too and noticed that there were more in H2, but I would have to join the West coast and that is the series that I think only has one in H2.

 

more power to you! I wish I could seriously persue getting into racing my R for real. Damn that would be the chit but very expensive.

 

if you are just starting out with racing do not build the car for H1. spend all your time/effort/money learing out to race. you shouldn't be making any decision based on the competition since the most likely scenerio is you'll be at the back of whatever class you're in.

make yourself fast first then worry about the car.

as DsR said, your best bet is to ask in the RR forum and don't be suprised when you get the same response.

 

You location shows Salt Lake City UT. It would be quite a looooong trip to the tracks where WCHC takes place, wouldn't it?

 

Yes, it would be quite the drive. 650 miles in most cases. I would be able to get out of here at least 4-5 times per year. Again, I am still exploring options, but there is nothing here in Utah except autocross. I have actually been to a couple of HPDE's out of state, so I have had some experience driving on a track. Not wheel-to-wheel, but I want to go to a few driving schools. You've got to start somewhere, right?

Lenceh-another thing I am trying to decide is if it would be worth it to take out the Type 3 Cams now, and put the stock ones back in. I can't run in H2 with modified cams. I guess it could still be ok to run with H1 just accepting that I will be hanging around at the back for a while

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itr1236 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, it would be quite the drive. 650 miles in most cases. I would be able to get out of here at least 4-5 times per year. Again, I am still exploring options, but there is nothing here in Utah except autocross. I have actually been to a couple of HPDE's out of state, so I have had some experience driving on a track. Not wheel-to-wheel, but I want to go to a few driving schools. You've got to start somewhere, right? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Just a quick question. Do you have a tow vehicle? I'm not trying to say that you can't drive but 650 miles is a long tow truck ride if you blow a motor, wreck, etc, etc, etc.. Doesn't have to be your fault or anything, but just something to think about.

 

Yeah, I do have a tow vehicle, and I agree that is quite the treck pulling something behind you. I really appreciate all the imput, some of the stuff I have already thought about, and some of it is new info, so thanks.

Just curious, what is the farthest you have heard of some of the other HC guys driving to get to a race. Dave at R and D motorsports told me one of their guys would drive 8-9 hours in some cases.

 

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As long as you have the Tow Vehicle I'd say think about it and do whatever will make you happy. You might find that you don't like competition and would rather just do HPDE's but you'll never know until you try so I'd say go for it if you want to. Having said that, H2 seems to be a batter place to start, but that's just my opinion.

 

Thanks again for the imput. I think that is kind of what I am leaning towards, just exploring each option.

Dave-ROR- RAD is for sure one of the greatest.

 

If you are serious about racing, sell your ITR and buy a car already built, like an H4 car. Slower/lighter cars are easier on tires, brake pads, wheel bearings, etc.

A mid-pack H4 and stock ITR will run similar times, so its not really any slower than you're going now - just more fun

 

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LOL I'm shocked that so many people on here remember the movie

I have the movie on DVD copied from my Laserdisc

 

I agree w/RJ.

 

what the hell is a mid pack H4

and dont most people that start out in this kind of racing usually start with shifter carts? what are the prerequisites to get into H1, H2, etc racing?

 

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RAD ownz. I would say stick to H2 especially if you've never run HC before.

 

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Most of the guys doing Honda Challenge came from an HPDE background, and just moved on to wheel to wheel

Brian

 

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I thought just a NASA comp license. And as for shifter karts, I thought that was more of a things that the pros did before racing. Most of the HC racers I know (not many mind you) just got started doing HPDEs.

 

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?

H4 - honda challenge class

 

mid pack?

 

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Huh?

I was just comparing the times I've taken from my own ham-fisted driving to what the ECHC guys are posting.

 

.RJ that may be something I need to look into because money is definitely going to play a part in this decision.


As for RAD, my friend and I watched that movie over and over. We ended up buying bikes, building a ramp, breaking my arm, all sorts of fun because of that movie.

 

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Huh?

I was just comparing the times I've taken from my own ham-fisted driving to what the ECHC guys are posting.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ok i didnt know what you meant by mid pack, thought it was some kind of chassis or platform set up terminology for the cars.

 

What mods do you have on the car already?

Before racing you need to ask yourself a few important questions:
-How much time do you have to prepare/maintain the car?
-How determined are you to race? Why? Because chances are some stuff will go wrong that is going to test your resolve.
-Would you be totally screwed if your car got wrecked?
-How competitive do you want to be? If you're someone that just HAS to win you'll spend a lot more money.

On the budget:
-Hotel accomodations. You can cut corners by camping though.
-Food. Cut corners by cooking for yourself.
-Will you have a crew helping you out? If so multiply your accomodations/food budget.
-Gas burned in transport to and from the track as well as on the track. Buy used tires to save money or use Toyos
-Consumables. Tires, brake pads, wheel bearings (once a year), oil, tranny fluid

After you've gotten through all that you'll have an idea of what you have to work with. If it turns out that you don't NEED to be super competitive in your class racing your R might not be a bad proposition.

However, you'll spend a lot more time and money converting your street car to a race car than just buying a used race car. A caveat with a used race car is that you will have to account for time to sort the car out and fix anything stupid the previous owner did or did not do.

If you find after all of this that you'd either be at the edge or over the limit with finances if you race your R, buy a used ITA/H4 car (CRX, EF or EG hatchback, DA Integra). An H4 car will cost less to build/buy and to maintain/run. You'll be able to put together a much more competitive car too.

Most importantly you must determine the committment you'll have to the idea. Stuff will break, unexpected things will ruin your day, you'll forget stuff, your girlfriend will complain, and through all of this you may get frustrated. Racing is a very big step, don't go into without knowing what you're getting into then having to drop out because you're in deep doo doo.

I haven't even gotten into the driving part of it, maybe ****, Dave, or Franza would like to chime in on that.