itr sway on gsr?
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itr sway on gsr?
right now my only suspension mods are H&R sport springs.. i'm thinkin about gettin the itr sway, i heard it's the best upgrade i can do for suspension.. Is it worth it? i like the beaks kit, but i heard that itr sway isn't a good idea unless you have shocks.. i'll be upgrading those next.. should i hold off on the sway until i can get those? Thanks
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Re: itr sway on gsr? (rough_draft)
Are you at a level where you actually need to get more oversteer out of the car. If not, then don't bother.
I'm not being snooty, BTW. I just had it in my mind that I wouldn't upgrade my rear sway until I a) was a better driver b) knew what to do with the newfound oversteer and c) was at the point where the understeer was a hindrance even when my driving methods were better.
I'm not being snooty, BTW. I just had it in my mind that I wouldn't upgrade my rear sway until I a) was a better driver b) knew what to do with the newfound oversteer and c) was at the point where the understeer was a hindrance even when my driving methods were better.
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Re: itr sway on gsr? (Geratol)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Geratol »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
*tech note, your car doesn't have struts.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think you meant to say "you're car doesn't have shocks"
I say go for it. I wouldn't do any major modifications until the driver is 100% but I don't consider this a MAJOR modification even though it is a noticeable worthwhile one. Why learn on a inferior set up just to have to re-learn on a better/proper set up... that's just my .02 though, different folks have different views on the matter of mods and driver and which to work on first.
*tech note, your car doesn't have struts.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think you meant to say "you're car doesn't have shocks"
I say go for it. I wouldn't do any major modifications until the driver is 100% but I don't consider this a MAJOR modification even though it is a noticeable worthwhile one. Why learn on a inferior set up just to have to re-learn on a better/proper set up... that's just my .02 though, different folks have different views on the matter of mods and driver and which to work on first.
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Re: itr sway on gsr? (Geratol)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Geratol »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The ITR swaybar is fine to upgrade to as long as you are using the BSQ or Beaks kit.
*tech note, your car doesn't have struts.</TD></TR></TABLE>
For a GSR can we use the ITR bar, Beaks kit and GSR end links and LCAs.?
*tech note, your car doesn't have struts.</TD></TR></TABLE>
For a GSR can we use the ITR bar, Beaks kit and GSR end links and LCAs.?
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Re: itr sway on gsr? (h22avid)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h22avid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No my car does not have shocks... it has struts. 
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you must have a newer car then. Honda's had shocks up until 2002, when they switched over to struts.
</TD></TR></TABLE>you must have a newer car then. Honda's had shocks up until 2002, when they switched over to struts.
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Re: itr sway on gsr? (nonsense)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonsense »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
you must have a newer car then. Honda's had shocks up until 2002, when they switched over to struts. </TD></TR></TABLE>
ding ding ding we have a winner
you must have a newer car then. Honda's had shocks up until 2002, when they switched over to struts.
</TD></TR></TABLE>ding ding ding we have a winner
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Re: itr sway on gsr? (nonsense)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonsense »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
you must have a newer car then. Honda's had shocks up until 2002, when they switched over to struts. </TD></TR></TABLE>
i believe it was 2001 actually.
2001 Civics have Mac strut fronts.
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you must have a newer car then. Honda's had shocks up until 2002, when they switched over to struts.
</TD></TR></TABLE>i believe it was 2001 actually.
2001 Civics have Mac strut fronts.
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Re: itr sway on gsr? (stevel)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stevel »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i believe it was 2001 actually.
2001 Civics have Mac strut fronts.
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yeah you're right '01
i believe it was 2001 actually.
2001 Civics have Mac strut fronts.
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yeah you're right '01
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Re: itr sway on gsr? (nonsense)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonsense »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
you must have a newer car then. Honda's had shocks up until 2002, when they switched over to struts. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Not so, do your homework... research the difference between a shock and strut. I have a 95 Civic which certainly is not a newer car... and they use STRUTS!!!
A strut configuration is when you have a damper unit that sits inside the spring... the spring sits around the damper unit on a perch at the bottom half of the damper and is contained on the damper with a damper mounting plate at the top of the damper. This combination of a damper and spring contained in one unit is known throughout the automotive world as a STRUT. Hondas use struts!!!
With a shock configuration, it is completely seperate from the spring (they are not mated together) they are seperate components all together.
Modified by h22avid at 11:17 AM 7/7/2004
you must have a newer car then. Honda's had shocks up until 2002, when they switched over to struts.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Not so, do your homework... research the difference between a shock and strut. I have a 95 Civic which certainly is not a newer car... and they use STRUTS!!!
A strut configuration is when you have a damper unit that sits inside the spring... the spring sits around the damper unit on a perch at the bottom half of the damper and is contained on the damper with a damper mounting plate at the top of the damper. This combination of a damper and spring contained in one unit is known throughout the automotive world as a STRUT. Hondas use struts!!!
With a shock configuration, it is completely seperate from the spring (they are not mated together) they are seperate components all together.
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Re: itr sway on gsr? (h22avid)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h22avid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Not so, do your homework... research the difference between a shock and strut. I have a 95 Civic which certainly is not a newer car... and they use STRUTS!!!
A strut configuration is when you have a damper unit that sits inside the spring... the spring sits around the damper unit on a perch at the bottom half of the damper and is contained on the damper with a damper mounting plate at the top of the damper. This combination of a damper and spring contained in one unit is known throughout the automotive world as a STRUT. Hondas use struts!!!
With a shock configuration, it is completely seperate from the spring (they are not mated together) they are seperate components all together.
Modified by h22avid at 11:17 AM 7/7/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
No you are wrong! The designation between shock and strut has nothing to do with wether or not it is a coilover design. EG/DC/EK/DA/EF chassis use SHOCKS not struts.
Not so, do your homework... research the difference between a shock and strut. I have a 95 Civic which certainly is not a newer car... and they use STRUTS!!!
A strut configuration is when you have a damper unit that sits inside the spring... the spring sits around the damper unit on a perch at the bottom half of the damper and is contained on the damper with a damper mounting plate at the top of the damper. This combination of a damper and spring contained in one unit is known throughout the automotive world as a STRUT. Hondas use struts!!!
With a shock configuration, it is completely seperate from the spring (they are not mated together) they are seperate components all together.
Modified by h22avid at 11:17 AM 7/7/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
No you are wrong! The designation between shock and strut has nothing to do with wether or not it is a coilover design. EG/DC/EK/DA/EF chassis use SHOCKS not struts.
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Re: itr sway on gsr? (h22avid)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h22avid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
A strut configuration is when you have a damper unit that sits inside the spring... the spring sits around the damper unit on a perch at the bottom half of the damper and is contained on the damper with a damper mounting plate at the top of the damper. This combination of a damper and spring contained in one unit is known throughout the automotive world as a STRUT. Hondas use struts!!!
Modified by h22avid at 11:17 AM 7/7/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
I never thought an explanantion of what a strut and shock is would be needed on the RR/Autocross board.
A 'strut' is found only in a McPherson (/Chapman) equipped car. The strut is comprised of a shock, the mounting points, and (maybe) the spring seats.
So every car has shocks and some also have struts.
What you described h22avid is a coil over oil setup.
A strut configuration is when you have a damper unit that sits inside the spring... the spring sits around the damper unit on a perch at the bottom half of the damper and is contained on the damper with a damper mounting plate at the top of the damper. This combination of a damper and spring contained in one unit is known throughout the automotive world as a STRUT. Hondas use struts!!!
Modified by h22avid at 11:17 AM 7/7/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
I never thought an explanantion of what a strut and shock is would be needed on the RR/Autocross board.
A 'strut' is found only in a McPherson (/Chapman) equipped car. The strut is comprised of a shock, the mounting points, and (maybe) the spring seats.
So every car has shocks and some also have struts.
What you described h22avid is a coil over oil setup.
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Re: itr sway on gsr? (nfn15037)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nfn15037 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
No you are wrong! The designation between shock and strut has nothing to do with wether or not it is a coilover design. EG/DC/EK/DA/EF chassis use SHOCKS not struts.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by steppin razor »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I never thought an explanantion of what a strut and shock is would be needed on the RR/Autocross board.
A 'strut' is found only in a McPherson (/Chapman) equipped car. The strut is comprised of a shock, the mounting points, and (maybe) the spring seats.
So every car has shocks and some also have struts.
What you described h22avid is a coil over oil setup. </TD></TR></TABLE>
You know what, the light just came on Have you ever been told something then believed it for years until one day the truth smacks you in a moment of revelation?
I definitely know what a McPherson Strut suspension looks like and how it works much differently then the wishbone suspension... My confusion however was in terminology. I always thought there were Shocks, Struts, then McPherson Struts... I thought if it had a coilover design that it was automatically a strut and that shocks were when the damper was seperate from the spring like on trucks etc... oops Then to confuse matters people always say strut tower brace etc which supported my thought process of coilovers being struts.
Apparently I'm not the only one confused either. After reading your replies I did a google search and found a million different answers all saying something different...
Anyhow, I will now humbly admit that I was WRONG... I'll be the first to say that I certainly don't know everything and that I learn something new everyday... thanks for edcucating me without tearing me a new one
Modified by h22avid at 9:44 AM 7/9/2004
No you are wrong! The designation between shock and strut has nothing to do with wether or not it is a coilover design. EG/DC/EK/DA/EF chassis use SHOCKS not struts.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by steppin razor »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I never thought an explanantion of what a strut and shock is would be needed on the RR/Autocross board.
A 'strut' is found only in a McPherson (/Chapman) equipped car. The strut is comprised of a shock, the mounting points, and (maybe) the spring seats.
So every car has shocks and some also have struts.
What you described h22avid is a coil over oil setup. </TD></TR></TABLE>
You know what, the light just came on
Have you ever been told something then believed it for years until one day the truth smacks you in a moment of revelation?I definitely know what a McPherson Strut suspension looks like and how it works much differently then the wishbone suspension... My confusion however was in terminology. I always thought there were Shocks, Struts, then McPherson Struts... I thought if it had a coilover design that it was automatically a strut and that shocks were when the damper was seperate from the spring like on trucks etc... oops
Then to confuse matters people always say strut tower brace etc which supported my thought process of coilovers being struts.Apparently I'm not the only one confused either. After reading your replies I did a google search and found a million different answers all saying something different...
Anyhow, I will now humbly admit that I was WRONG... I'll be the first to say that I certainly don't know everything and that I learn something new everyday... thanks for edcucating me without tearing me a new one
Modified by h22avid at 9:44 AM 7/9/2004
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Re: itr sway on gsr? (h22avid)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h22avid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You know what, the light just came on Have you ever been told something then believed it for years until one day the truth smacks you in a moment of revelation?
I definitely know what a McPherson Strut suspension looks like and how it works much differently then the wishbone suspension... My confusion however was in terminology. I always thought there were Shocks, Struts, then McPherson Struts... I thought if it had a coilover design that it was automatically a strut and that shocks were when the damper was seperate from the spring like on trucks etc... oops Then to confuse matters people always say strut tower brace etc which supported my thought process of coilovers being struts.
Apparently I'm not the only one confused either. After reading your replies I did a google search and found a million different answers all saying something different...
Anyhow, I will now humbly admit that I was WRONG... I'll be the first to say that I certainly don't know everything and that I learn something new everyday... thanks for edcucating me without tearing me a new one
Modified by h22avid at 9:44 AM 7/9/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah it's just a stupid terminology thing. Like how people call an engine a motor. It's not really a motor by definition (motors are electrically powered), but everybody calls it that and you still understand what they are talking about.
So if you say I need new struts for your civic everyone will still know what you're talking about, we're just bustin yer *****.
Steve
Have you ever been told something then believed it for years until one day the truth smacks you in a moment of revelation?I definitely know what a McPherson Strut suspension looks like and how it works much differently then the wishbone suspension... My confusion however was in terminology. I always thought there were Shocks, Struts, then McPherson Struts... I thought if it had a coilover design that it was automatically a strut and that shocks were when the damper was seperate from the spring like on trucks etc... oops
Then to confuse matters people always say strut tower brace etc which supported my thought process of coilovers being struts.Apparently I'm not the only one confused either. After reading your replies I did a google search and found a million different answers all saying something different...
Anyhow, I will now humbly admit that I was WRONG... I'll be the first to say that I certainly don't know everything and that I learn something new everyday... thanks for edcucating me without tearing me a new one
Modified by h22avid at 9:44 AM 7/9/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah it's just a stupid terminology thing.
Like how people call an engine a motor. It's not really a motor by definition (motors are electrically powered), but everybody calls it that and you still understand what they are talking about. So if you say I need new struts for your civic everyone will still know what you're talking about, we're just bustin yer *****.
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Re: itr sway on gsr? (h22avid)
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Apparently I'm not the only one confused either.Modified by h22avid at 9:44 AM 7/9/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
You can say that again. Parts guys, mechanics, tons of people make the same mistake. I expect that soon since everyone calls coil-over-oils, 'struts', it will become the actual definition.
As for not tearing you a new one I would only do that if I knew everything. Since I didn't know a 'motor' had to be electric, you're probably safe for a while.
Apparently I'm not the only one confused either.Modified by h22avid at 9:44 AM 7/9/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
You can say that again. Parts guys, mechanics, tons of people make the same mistake. I expect that soon since everyone calls coil-over-oils, 'struts', it will become the actual definition.
As for not tearing you a new one
I would only do that if I knew everything. Since I didn't know a 'motor' had to be electric, you're probably safe for a while.
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