I was curious... I was skimming thru the Rules for NASA, and I saw that you can't do too much to the bottom end of the motor... So i was curious to see what kind of HP/TQ numbers u are putting down?

 

350hp at the wheels, 317 lb-ft of torque at 3200 RPMs.

 

That's on the Cherokee, right?

 

car? motor? bore? etc...

 

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What class are you referring to?

H1 = so many variables and so many different cars, hard to say.

H2 - H5 =&gt; motors are basically stock with bolt ons, maybe overbore, and VAFC/Hondata for management

 

I thought on the NASA guidelines u can't overbore?


Well next year hopefully I will be entering the Honda Challenge with my CRVtec, I was reading and it said bore must remain the same, compression must remain the same. etc. I may have read it wrong, but that's what I thought it said....

I am somewhat referring too H1 class.

 

We can't give out all our secrets..

Most H1 cars are from 190whp (mild mild motors) to 225 whp for the wild ones..

I sit in the middle, as do most others..

 

well arent most H1 cars in WCHC stock?
so you have stock motor power to some built lsvtec bseries making 230whp

 

But torque wins races right?

Barry H.

 

198 hp and 128 tq.....

 

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Sure does, especially in road racing. I just hope you aren't saying that a LS-VTEC has "torque", lol.

 

ok cool deal. No I wasn't asking for peoples secrets, I was mearly curious to know if I end up getting done what I need done by next year, and enter in the Honda Challenge, and only putting out around 190hp, that im not going to be the slowest car there.. hahaha... i know power doesn't matter as much as traction and skill in this case, but I was just curious. When they inspect your car, how do they really know what is in your motor? do they actually make you break it down and show them?

 

We are the underdogs here on the West Coast with a STOCK '96 B18CR with air filter- so 160-170 WHP?

Most guys are 200+. I would say an average of 215 for the faster guys...

And I think Derek with the Hondata car has the most HP.

190 can* be competetive with the right driver/setup/circumstances IMO, like Andrie Hartanto.

Hope to see you out there some day.

 

Since you spoke of the hondata car I was just going to mention the eg hatch they have now that makes 255whp, with basic bolt ons. It has a k20 in it. Most of you guys probably seen the video of it walking all over the competition. But yeah the setup is so basic and the car is ridiciously fast.

 

ya I am hoping to achieve that by next year if im lucky.

 

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In the video it was 200lbs underweight. With the increased weight penalty the mildly built Hondata car's advantage is negligable, and is the 255 whp from a dynapack?

Austin

 

185 bhp & 126 lb-ft.

 

Yeah, About the same figures we got on Shawns K-20 # 66 on the Dynopac. Then... Two days later 217 WHP On a Dyno Jet? Go figure?

Kiwi

 

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Better than me. 168 bhp & 110 lb-ft on a Dynapack.


Modified by 6ghatch at 8:13 PM 6/21/2004

 

In March I made 254 hp on the dynopack. On a dynojet it's less. I'm not that keen to say more as the car has too much weight as it is.

Last year at buttonwillow #13 CCW I ran 2:03.7 when the car had the stock B18C5 making 179 hp at 2170 lbs.

This year at buttonwillow #13 CCW I ran 2:03.1 with the K20A at 2370 lbs, with better chassis setup and aerodynamics (yuk). My brakes were not sorted and it was hotter but that's probably only 1s - 2s difference between the K and B. Sector analysis shows the car was really, really slow through the tight corners, but better on the fast corners and straights.

The B was far easier to drive. Reviewing the videos to do the sector time comparisons I was much more relaxed driving the B than the K. However, the K is the most fun and is that not what it's all about?

 

Humm...My Stock ITR with bolt-ons made 175WHP on a dyno-dynamics dyno, and 164 @ the hubs on a dynopack and 180 on a dynojet.... so that kinda shows why dynos are for tuming not comparing numbers unless on the same day..ect, ect....

My questions is regarding wieght of ITR's... mine wieghs 2620lbs with driver. Since I am installing a H1 B18C5 motor with-in the next month or so what kind of wieghts are the H1 ITR's running?
Paul
H2 ITR
PHX, AZ

 

2200lbs for a B series in h1.

 

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WOW&gt;.....someone finally gets it!!!
for comparison sake....my stock ITR swap put down 190 on a dynojet....hmmm....but then again it is only a tuning tool....like most of the honda-tech crowd!

 

2200 for bseries and is it still 2000 for d series?
Thats pretty crazy, in order to have a D series car with a similar power to weight ratio the D series would need like 175whp. hahaha


but arent dyno numbers like the bench press at the gym. I have more than you, therefore, im faster, haha

 

190 HP in H2 trim, on a dynojet. mid 120's for torque. I forget.

215 HP / 150 ftlb in H1 trim also dynojet.

Now extinct.

Warren