Not sure which is worth me while. From what I know I can run toda spec A's on stock internals. If I go that route it will save me money but will it be a notible difference. Or do I go all out with spec B cams and to valvespring and retainers. Not sure which way to go please help.

 

Oh ya my set up is Aem cai, pulleys Comptech Header and Exhaust , Hondata s200

 

o i should have flammed you cause you asked a question that was damn near answered already on the same page....but im not like most of the ******** on here but good luck


https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=682355 check that out

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by knalige &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well from what i've learned about on this site.....the difference between the two isn't by much i think the b's pull harder up top but for the prices you could get jun 3's for 880 and they sh*t on both the a's and b's you have to get springs and retainers but if you really wanna get your moneys worth out the a's your gonna have to do springs and retainers anyway so you can turn the motor higher anyway...thats where toda's are good "UP Top"....and you can't run stock springs real high or at least higher....i have toda a's and i like them but if im getting tired of them and if i don't do more tunning soon im f*cken with the juns hands down check out the dynos for the cams......good luck


hope i helped a little</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by knalige &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">o i should have flammed you cause you asked a question that was damn near answered already on the same page....but im not like most of the ******** on here but good luck


https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=682355 check that out</TD></TR></TABLE>

^w-t-f?

 

o boy.............. say some dumb **** get it out your system.....just tryna help the man.....DAMN....can't do sh*t right on this site

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by knalige &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">o boy.............. say some dumb **** get it out your system.....just tryna help the man.....DAMN....can't do sh*t right on this site</TD></TR></TABLE>

Huh?

In all of these 3 posts, I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say.

 

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Huh?

In all of these 3 posts, I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say.</TD></TR></TABLE>

RJ whats going on here, I can't seem to make heads or tails

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by knalige &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well from what i've learned about on this site.....the difference between the two isn't by much i think the b's pull harder up top but for the prices you could get jun 3's for 880 and they sh*t on both the a's and b's you have to get springs and retainers but if you really wanna get your moneys worth out the a's your gonna have to do springs and retainers anyway so you can turn the motor higher anyway...thats where toda's are good "UP Top"....and you can't run stock springs real high or at least higher....i have toda a's and i like them but if im getting tired of them and if i don't do more tunning soon im f*cken with the juns hands down check out the dynos for the cams......good luck


hope i helped a little</TD></TR></TABLE>

take a look at B's vs. jun 3's and then tell me who's good "up top."

 

I hope English is your 2nd language.

 

lol @ the drama above

anyway, depends on:

How much money you have
Tuning tuning tuning
Whats the car is used for
Tuning tuning tuning
Every motor is different
Every tuner is different
Did I mention tuning?

Point being there are too many factors to say which is better.

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=90743
this should help

 

You can run B's on a stock valvetrain.

 

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?

 

I run my JUN3s on stock valvetrain, rev limit set to 11K! jk

 

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hardy har ha,

 

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Did it for eight months or so, five or six thousand miles, on my old Hype R. No negative effects.

Is it the *right* way to do it? Maybe not. But it will run fine, contrary to the "gospel" on here that claims Toda B + stock valvetrain = boom.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LAQUALO101 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oh ya my set up is Aem cai, pulleys Comptech Header and Exhaust , Hondata s200</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hmm.

I was able to get over 190 Dynojet HP with stock ITR cams.

What is it you're trying to turn the car into, and how does it dyno now w/the Hondata and stock cams, if you don't mind?

Where I'm going is I'm not sure you need aftermarket cams at all, depending on what you are trying to get out of the car.

http://members.aol.com/georgeknighton/ at the bottom is a Dynojet graph of my car w/stock cams and very mild modifications.

 

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well from what i've learned about on this site.....the difference between the two isn't by much i think the b's pull harder up top but for the prices you could get jun 3's for 880 and they sh*t on both the a's and b's you have to get springs and retainers but if you really wanna get your moneys worth out the a's your gonna have to do springs and retainers anyway so you can turn the motor higher anyway...thats where toda's are good "UP Top"....and you can't run stock springs real high or at least higher....i have toda a's and i like them but if im getting tired of them and if i don't do more tunning soon im f*cken with the juns hands down check out the dynos for the cams......good luck

hope i helped a little

.....................

o i should have flammed you cause you asked a question that was damn near answered already on the same page....but im not like most of the ******** on here but good luck

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=682355 check that out
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The information you posted is quite wrong. A's are a mild cam - they should be compared with skunk stage 1's, jun 1's, ctr cams, and spoon cams. They can be used with stock valvetrain and their power production falls off after 8600 or so (depending on other mods).

B's, and C's make gobs more midrange than jun 3's AND the cams listed above; from what I've seen with my own eyes. This is anywhere between 10.6:1 and 12.8:1 c/r... C's make comparable peak power to jun 3's. jun 3's seem to make decent peak, but have off vtec power comparable to stock itr cams (hence the nice idle). jun 3's definitely do not **** on spec b's, that's for damn sure! LOL They're all good cams, but the best advice is to do your own research.

George Knighton said it best (imho).

From the listing of mods the original poster has - I'd say he has some bolt-ons that need to be upgraded first.....

 

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Did it for eight months or so, five or six thousand miles, on my old Hype R. No negative effects.

Is it the *right* way to do it? Maybe not. But it will run fine, contrary to the "gospel" on here that claims Toda B + stock valvetrain = boom.</TD></TR></TABLE>


damn, thats cool. I guess it work for you unlike the guys I know that tried running a stock valvetrain with bigger cams

 

Is anyone else amazed at the misinformation that is spread around this board? (sorry for going o-t, but in looking at some of the responses in this post, I'm really right on topic).

P.S.- To be fair and answer the question, based on your mods list and what you are apparently able to contemplate spending, do not get any cams bigger than Spec A's. As George said, you may want to look into keeping the stock cams as well and getting better bolt-on's.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NSX Bob &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is anyone else amazed at the misinformation that is spread around this board? (sorry for going o-t, but in looking at some of the responses in this post, I'm really right on topic).

P.S.- To be fair and answer the question, based on your mods list and what you are apparently able to contemplate spending, do not get any cams bigger than Spec A's. As George said, you may want to look into keeping the stock cams as well and getting better bolt-on's. </TD></TR></TABLE>


Agreed 100%

Listen to Bob!

Spec a's + ctr pistons will break the 200whp mark for j00.....