Hey all,

Right now I've got H&R sport springs on the R.... and I've been noticing that the car is sagging a bit in the rear. I do most of my driving on the street, so I don't want something that rides much harder than stock, but I would like a nice clean drop that I could set.

Does anyone have pictures of H&R sports with Koni Yellows? I'm not sure if I would be happy with that setup, and it would be great to see some pics to help me decide.

The reason I'm not sure about the Koni Yellows is because I want the car to sit properly, and I dont know how much the Koni yellows could be adjusted. I would like the car to sit similarly to stock... just lower . When I put on just the H&R sports, it seemed as though the car sat more evenly than i would have liked. In stock form the nose seemed to be slightly lower.

Thanks,
Jon

 

you would be better off getting you car cornerweighted first

changing springs because you feel the car isn't "sitting" right is an *** backwards way to modify the suspension of your car.

 

i have a gsr with h and r's and konis and i love the setup.. rides really nice and not too low

 

BPR: They aren't adjustable (he's running H&R Springs + stock shocks) so cornerweighting wont do anything for him that I can see.

He obviously wants it to look different.

Koni and Bilsteins have some adjustability in height, very very little though.

IMO I'd swap them out for Koni or Bilsteins and a ground control threaded sleeve/ERS spring combo.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dave-ROR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BPR: They aren't adjustable (he's running H&R Springs + stock shocks) so cornerweighting wont do anything for him that I can see.

He obviously wants it to look different.

Koni and Bilsteins have some adjustability in height, very very little though.

IMO I'd swap them out for Koni or Bilsteins and a ground control threaded sleeve/ERS spring combo. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah I caught that part but I thought cornerweigh-ing will just tell if there is a major weight imbalance in his car that is causing the funny stance.

He might only need to change one spring - not four.

If the corner weights of the car are pretty good - then you could leave the springs as they are...?

 

May be some misunderstanding here... .

The car was sitting fine on the stock springs + shocks. It has quite some time now (about a year) since I installed H&R springs for a lower looking stance. I was told the stock shocks would go out over time, so that is what I am assuming is happening now (sagging rear end).

Would the H&R's not be used if I used ground controls?

For those who have paired H&R's with Koni shocks, does the car sit even, or is the nose slightly lower? Any pics?

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Are ground control sleeves specifically designed to work with those ERS springs?

Seems like the Koni + H&R spring setup would be the easiest way to go (could avoid having to sell the H&R's). I'd really like to see some pics of a setup with them, to make sure I like the way it looks.

Thanks,
Jon

 

From what i am reading, the misunderstanding is on your part. Ride height is not set by the shock, but by the spring. If you were to change out the shock for another, the ride height would not be effected. You are confusing what is meant by an "adjustable shock", ith an adjustable coil over setup. An adjustable shock allows you to change the dampening characteristics of the shock (I.E. compression and rebound speed). The advantage of a shorter/stiffer spring (like the ones you have currently installed) is that they are a matched set and when installed will drop the car a specific distance all the way around the car and keep a 'close' to factory corner weight setup paired with acceptable ride characteristics. The beauty of a Coilover setup (like a ground control sleeve) is that you can FULLY adjust front and rear ride height and by doing so can make the cornerweight setup of the car perfect for your specific body weight when in the car.
My recommendation is to call GC and see if they have a sleeve setup for your springs, install them, get the car corner weighted and aligned, then return here for more answers.

 

buy my ground control coilovers

 

Just to note RE the Koni's, the ones most places sell in the US are actually CRX rears (for the rear obviously). They sit lower then other ITR-specific rear shocks. If a car sits evenly on those koni's it's because the car would sit ***-high on other shocks.

Back to the basic question though, how do you know it's lower in the back? Just by wheel well gap? or are you measuring at jackpoints, etc?

 

This my set up with H&R Race drop and koni yellows. Here is a pic!





now my car is running Tein HA and i like it better than the old set up. it rides softer when i want and harder when i want. Great for the track and the street. I would definately recommend tein's over the H&R anad koni set up. My car is lower now with the tein's than what is in the picture with the H&R's.

 

i have h + r sport springs with koni yellows and i absolutely love the ride and the drop of the car. if u want email me and ill send u pics cuz i dont know how to paste them on the forum.... orele28@aol.com

 

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I'm just judging by wheel gap and the overall way the car appears to be sitting. The ride also feels more bouncy then it did before... not as hard a ride.

Jon

 

Just looked at ground controls site...

From the way it looks I would need to get ground control coilovers and koni shocks. I am thinking... I could always try the koni shocks with the H&R springs, and if I don't like it I could pull of the H&R's and put the Ground controls on with the Koni's. Sound ok? I'll give them a call when they are open tomorrow also.

Jon

 

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I'm just judging by wheel gap and the overall way the car appears to be sitting. The ride also feels more bouncy then it did before... not as hard a ride.

Jon</TD></TR></TABLE>

Bouncy generally indicates under dampening, so you are probably wearing the stock shocks at an accelerated rate compared to the stock springs. Not a bad idea to replace them. Bilstein or Koni's will work.

Just to note, it's best to measure from jackpoints on a flat surface (well corner weighting is better of course) compared to wheel well gap, unless you are looking more for appearance (which is fine).

I always prefer GCs just becuase I like the ability to adjust height (you'll only do it once or twice, when I used to track my car it was setup so I got the best camber for the tires, then when I stopped tracking it I raised it back up) and because you can get custom rates (ie, any rates you want).