This is one of the points in cars that I lack much knowledge, so I'm curious.


I know a Turbo will give me better high end power, but a super will take me off the line faster...But my questions are: IS a Super street legal (pass emissions, etc..), Will a super improve my high end power was well as low end?..and I'm curious to just the general strengths and weaknesses of the two different boosters..

 

There are tons of articles on the web about theses 2 forms of boost. It has been discussed for years. Alot of these articles come from HOTROD magazine. Heres a few points. TURBO: great power, many choices, many street legal, not parasitic (they dont rob your engine of power). Downfall, the larger ones tend to not react as quickly when you peg the trottle = turbo lag.

Superchargers: again, street legal (some), good power blah blah blah......These are parasitic. Because the super is driven by your engine belts, it robs the engine a few horsepower. The boost response is quicker than the turbo because of this though. Will you pass emissions? That depends on how you set the car up. With blow off valves and computer now, you can set the car up for less boost for street applications that will allow you to pass the tests and then switch over to more boost when you are at the track.

The big questions here is.....how much power do you want to make. I would like to be in the 250 HP range and have the car be very reliable. I am looking at the VORTECH supercharger with the aftercooler. Its your choice but do some more research and you'll find what you are looking for. You;ll see that most guys do turbo. Check out a few of these websites. Hope I helped a little.

http://www.f-max.com
http://www.greddy.com
http://www.jacksonracing.com
http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com

 

I'm looking for good power (about where you wanna be) while having a daily driver (yeah yeah, gas milage will suck, bu oh well)..Thank you though, if anyone could tlel me one thing that I still question: Will a Super still give me a hp boost at high revolutions?

 

This may help......check out those websites and compare all the dyno test runs. They show power vs rpm range. I think most websites have the graphs.

 

Thanks much bro. Showed me what I needed to go. Time to go grab a Supercharger, when I get the cash, I suppose. Good boost, plus not too common..Going for that with my car completely..Black and green, complete with underglows (Ricer boy touch, yeah, but I like 'em)

 

What I don't like about superchargers, is they usually are not intercooled and you get extemely hot air into the engine.

Most turbocharged applications are intercooled, and therefore lower air temps to the engine, and less of a problem with detonation in the end.

 

superchargers on 4 bangers? i dunno. the idea of yet ANOTHER parastic drag on my engine is not cool. turbos just your engine's farts....you don't need it, so you might as well put it to some good. superchargers take away from your engine's spinning power.

 

yea, i'm probably gonna go SC, but thats the only concern is temp, although that usually isnt a HUGE factor until your at around 10lbs but it is still a concern of mine

and aftercooler should cure that at lower boost...like 7-9

 

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The best way to SC is to use a centrifical supercharger. I don't like the jackson racing SC, the only way to cool down the air charge is to use water injection.

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What???

 

my question is which is more reliable, lets just use a jackson vr. an f-max for ex.?

where talking like normal non internals at safe levels of boost

 

superchargers are not as near efficient as turbo's are. with your application a small t28 at around 8-9psi will have almost NO lag even with a cast log style manifold. you'll get WAY better gas milege and you wont be tappering off useless air at high rpms like superchargers tend to do. turbo's sound cooler too and you get to put a HUGE fmic that'll bump your bling factor up...

 

Check out the Vortech Super Charger. You can get the AFTERCOOLER!! It cools things off and adds like 25-30 HP.

 

Again, these are all great points. Just comes down to what you think you want. I kinda like the supercharger thing cause its a little different than most. Pus if you wanna keep things SLEEPER STYLE, you dont have to flash those sexy front mount intercoolers. I dont have the moeny to do either but who knows, I may change my mind, but for now I like the Vortech......besides, my engine is still in a million pieces.

 

ahh daniel son....

thats why they invented BLACK ANODIZED FMIC'S!!!! hahahahaha


now you see it...


now you dont...


hmmm never will be able to tell that BEAST puts 508hp at the wheels..

 

Good Point Mr. Miagi

 

supercharger is mainly for torque... when a turbo may have some lag, its an adrenaline rush the minute it kicks in. turbo's advantage over a supercharger? overall hp gain and torque... and sweet sounding PISHHHHHH when you shift.

 

Theres a reason why people go from a Supercharger to Turbo

I mean does anyone know of somoene that went from Turbo to a Supercharger? I highly doubt it.

Turbo

on and Daniel son, what the hell is a Stage 1 Intake?

 

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i think a stage 1 intake is an intake that connects to the throttle body. haha

the next stage is have an intake pipe that connects to an intercooler.

i think hes taking baby steps to REAL power. lol

 

I've got IT !!!!!!

http://www.boosthead.com/home.php

THE ELECTRIC SUPER CHARGER!! No strain on your engine. Problem though, only lasts 15 seconds like nitrous and need like 6 batteries. Check it out though. Its a cool priciple.

 

Wheel spin will kill you off the line with a Supercharger. Thats why I like turbo's. In a race the super car will spin like mad and have to get off the throttle to get any traction. In turbo, you launch it and at 3400 RPM's you start to pull hard and pull past the super car with no traction problems to mess with.

 

you wont regret it when you grab a turbo. Turbos can be very reliable and they have so much potential that they can give you without having the problems of making the engine spin like mad, engine temp, fuel emissions , etc... turbo is definately imo &gt; SC .

 

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Willing to bring parts back?

 

just get both, haha jj.

 

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Depends, I make enough top end power to brake the tires loose at the top of first gear! and chirp going into second

 

Stage 1 intake was just an offbrand intake that the local shop around here had in stock and was cheap (45 bucks(, so, I went ahead and picked it up cause I was low on cash..It did add horsepower, and well, no damage to the engine..