I currently own an 01 CW canadian ITR and am debating whether or not I should trade it for an 01 S2000. Have just worked off the ITR and am planning to modify it (ARC induction box/intake, Toda headers, Apexi WS exhaust, Toda spec B cams, etc.. etc..) but realized that I will throwing down a solid $5000 CAD on performance parts that will not boost its performance very dramatically.

For all you S200 owners... think the trade is worth it?
Stock S2000 vs. Bolt on ITR.... what do you think?

 

first off, what are your plans for the car. i.e autocross,road course,drag race?

i have had two ITR's and loved them. i sold my last itr to buy a car that would be paid off. that didnt last long, i got to good of a deal on the s2k i am driving now.

from my personal experience both cars are very similar. they are both pretty raw.

the reason i bought an s2k instead of another itr was because i could not find another itr up to my standards. most now have fairly high miles or have been modded.

owning the s2k is totally different than owning an itr. most people view the itr as another integra(those who dont really know what it is) and i think it is getting sort of a ricer immage because of all the fast and furious hype.

the s2k on the other hand puts you in a different crowd,( young professional, doctor, etc) the more mature crowd(i use the word mature loosely).

i would say that your decision should be based on what you are going to do with the vehicle, not what you would LIKE to do with the vehicle.

there is something to be said for a drop top sports car....fun

p.s if you buy the s2k , BUY A BEATER....

 

Fair enough...
I'm planning to go autocrossing a few times with my R but nothing really serious. That's why I'm debating whether it's really worth it to begin modding my car.

My ITR now has low kilometers (35000km on the odo) and can get a decent price if I can sell it. ITR + another 6000 = an S2K.

As for the young professional crowd.. I agree. I'm going into 3rd year UBC and am looking for a more "mature" car, but the only thing that I can't get over is that I've only had my car for a year and a bit and I haven't been able to "push" it to its limits. I suppose it's not that big a deal.. considering that an S2K can go up and beyond many things that ITRs do well already.

Correct me if I am wrong... but do you think that I can get an 01 S2K with somewhat low kilometers (35000km or 23000 miles) for my 01 ITR plus 6000CAD or 3500US? I don't know if this will "bump" the selling price of my R but it is the only year in Canada (never came out in the States) that it came with all RED seats.

 

i had a gsr and i sold it to get a s2k.

like the above person said, puts you in another class.

and i use my s2k as my daily driving for now. car is too fun to just leave it sitting at home. no racing, autoxing for me either......stuntin'! hahaha

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Be3LiCiOuS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">like the above person said, puts you in another class.
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It's all relative. I personally don't see how S2k puts anyone in "another class." For a general public, a Honda/Acura is just another Japanese brand.

To answer the original poster's question, you can definitely sell your '01 ITR and easily pickup a '01 S2k with similar mileage for extra +$3,500. But, this is in the States. I don't know if S2000s are more limited in Canada or not... which could dictate the price difference between two cars.

 

Both are 2 great cars and show Honda's true capabilities. The R is the best FWD car around...hands down. So it all depends on your likes and dislikes. With gas prices now i know with my S im glad i have my DC2 and my others for small gas consumption. If your a baller...get both! Best of both worlds. I love my S and i wouldnt get rid of it for any other car, except for an NSX-R. Some people have asked this Q and get the same A's. If you wanna see better gains with bolt-ons keep your R cause its very hard to tap a whole lot of power from the F20C. Of course you get the P.I.M.P. factor with the S.

 

I don't want to get rid of my R, but investment wise... I think that getting an S2K will be worth more (If I get an S2K, it's going to stay in MINT shape) when and if I sell it down the road. The money that I was planning to spend on my R would never be seen again if I decided to sell down the line, but I suppose that that's the price you pay for getting into the import scene. Still leaning towards the S2K side right now.

 

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FYI, if you were to keep both ITR & S2000 in mint shape, ITR will have better resale value. The reason is that ITR's were produced in limited numbers and there are always people looking for them. There are tons of S2000's running around and being produced every day. However, like you said, owning a car is not an investment... you should go with which ever car you like better.

 

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Sorry but what you are saying is wrong.

 

Thanks for all the help you guys.... I think that I'm going to keep my R at least until the end of summer. I haven't really "enjoyed" my R yet so I'll I won't worry about an S2K until fall or winter. Hopefully more S2Ks will appear over the later months. Thanks Again!

 

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It's all relative. I personally don't see how S2k puts anyone in "another class." For a general public, a Honda/Acura is just another Japanese brand.

To answer the original poster's question, you can definitely sell your '01 ITR and easily pickup a '01 S2k with similar mileage for extra +$3,500. But, this is in the States. I don't know if S2000s are more limited in Canada or not... which could dictate the price difference between two cars. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Quit being such a boy racer. Roll up to Blu Water Bistro on a warm Friday night in an Integra with a huge wing on it or roll up to the valet in a nice looking convertible people have to look at the badge to know what it is even if "tons" are rolling around the streets? There IS a HUGE difference in perception.

C'mon, man. The "I love E30 M3" says it all.

But Cosworth is correct about resale so long as you don't rice the crap out of the Type R and I've seen a lot more of these than good looking stock ones. I find it so amusing when I see heavily modded Type-Rs. It's a classic so leave it alone. All I'd do is get some MF-10s, lower it on some Mugen coilovers, maybe get an exhaust and call it a day. Carbon fiber hood... JDM front-end... what a waste of time.

 

I totally agree... but I do like my JDM fronts! (even though I am not planning to drop 3 Gs on a conversion). I've left my car pretty stock except for blistein shocks, H&R Sports, Cusco struts rear and front, and an AEM CAI. Hopefully, when time comes, I can resell for a decent price.

 

Once I get my Prelude paid off, and a steady job im looking forward to trade in the lude for a used S2k if everything goes well. If i had a ITR I would trade it for a s2k anyday.

 

in a differnt class? you can get a used s2k for 18000-22000k. Thats the price of a new type s, wrx, accord, celica, camary, solora, and the list go's on. I see alot of "kids" dirving these cars, hence they can afford a used s2k, which means its in the same class, no? Yes, tons of 16-21 year olds here in Orange county california drives an s2k.

Type sh dude, you know nothing about the itr. its funny everytime I see someone who dont own a car tell people they would trade in the car they DONT own for another one anyday

 

The ITR is an amazing machine, however I don't completely feel the two are in the same car class just because of their price range. ITR is FWD and 195HP @ crank vs. the RWD S2K w/ 240HP.

As for your concern on dropping all that dough on the ITR for minimal gains, it'll be even worse with the S2K. Unless you go with a serious setup [most likely FI], with an S2K, you won't achieve dramatic gains.

And as stated before, it heavily depends on your use for the car. Even for daily driving, I would stiffen up the suspension. It makes it TONS more fun. The ITR already handles ridiculously well for a FWD car, but with a stiffer setup, it handles like a dream!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tekkynikality &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> As for your concern on dropping all that dough on the ITR for minimal gains, it'll be even worse with the S2K. Unless you go with a serious setup [most likely FI], with an S2K, you won't achieve dramatic gains.

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are you sure about that?

 

IMO yes. But mostly just because around here R's dissapear like cake in front of a fat kid.

 

Another class? lol You guys crack me up sometimes. Soon you'll be invited to the White House for dinner in your s2k, that **** doesn't happen to ITR owners.

 

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Type sh dude, you know nothing about the itr. its funny everytime I see someone who dont own a car tell people they would trade in the car they DONT own for another one anyday </TD></TR></TABLE>

You have no idea What I know about the ITR, I have 2 friends that own a ITR and I have drove both of them and Ive test drove a 02 S2k and I can say i would trade in a ITR for a S2k any day.

 

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you drive a yellow car with a big *** spoiler in the back. you drive a car that's called an integra. integra and the civic both, undoubtedly, carry the flaming torch in the rice house. and you're a denizen.

 

Personally i would not trade in a ITR for a S2k. ITR is sucha classic and its so limited. But if u want to trade it in for a s2k go for it. Performance wise of course a stock s2k is faster than a stock itr. But juss a simple I/H/E on a itr is probably faster than a s2k already

 

ITR-GMan I can honestly say that im in the same position you are in right now of deciding which to go with... the R or the S2k. I owned a 00 PY ITR and just had it totalled a couple weeks ago, and now im looking into another R, or an S2K. I have been at the local honda dealer probably 6 or 7 times to test drive the S2K's... both '00 style and the new '04 style... and what I can say is that it is truely up to you. I would recommend if you havent already driven one on a spirited drive, that you go to your local Honda dealer, and take a test drive. They are two completely different cars, and they definitely drive differently. I personally made the choice to go with another R, because I liked the way VTEC felt in the R. But the reason VTEC feels like it pulls more in the R is because the R has very little torque below 6000 RPM's. With an S2K you do not get the same feeling once into VTEC. It pulls consistently throughout the RPM's. Also the feeling of RWD vs. FWD is a big difference. I prefer the problem of understeer myself because I know how to control understeer. Oversteer with RWD cars, for me anyways, is a little more difficult to recover. But then again i am not a professional driver. Best advice someone can give you is to just take a test drive with the top down on a sunny day throughout the country if you can. Enjoy it to its max potential and see if it fits you. If not I would say stick with the R and do what you will with it.

But again, thats just my .02.

 

i also have an 01 ITR with the Bilsteins and H&R sports

how do you like that set up?

because i really am not sure if i like it and need to know if im on crack or if it really isnt all that great compared to stock

PM me or something

 

These stats are straight out of a Motor Trend magazine I have. Im not into Magazine racing but the stats speak for them self.

model year---- 2000 S2000--------- 2000 Integra Type R
price tested---32,415--------------24,920
engine size----2.0 I-4---------------1.8 I-4
driveline----6M/RWD---------------5M/FWD
HP----240-------------------------------195
0-60----5.2------------------------------6.2
1/4 mile----13.8@100.5---------------14.8@96.3
braking 60-0----113 ft--------------------115 ft
slalom mph----70.1---------------------68.2

 

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i rarely see any younger guys driving s2k unless there parents bought it for them. i agree the price is affordable, but what about the insurance. around here the only people i see driving s2k are old people.