new here - need advice on 93 transmission compatability
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new here - need advice on 93 transmission compatability
i'm the proud owner of a 5-speed 93 integra RS ; slightly modified, but at this time, unfortunately broken. One of my transmission bearings is gone, prompting some rather involved surgery 
on the bright side, this gives me a perfectly good opportunity to swap it out for something with a tighter gear ratio. the question i have is: what transmissions will fit up to the stock block? ( i think it's a B18A1, but i could be wrong) i tried a search in the forum (so if this is redundant i'm sorry) but i couldn't find a concrete answer. So far it seems the likeliest contenders are the civic si B16 or maybe the GS-R of the same year. I know the ITR is out unless i want to get into hydro conversion, which i'm know nothing about. If anyone can tell me for sure which different trannys will work with my engine as an alternative to stock replacement, your help would be greatly appreciated.
on the bright side, this gives me a perfectly good opportunity to swap it out for something with a tighter gear ratio. the question i have is: what transmissions will fit up to the stock block? ( i think it's a B18A1, but i could be wrong) i tried a search in the forum (so if this is redundant i'm sorry) but i couldn't find a concrete answer. So far it seems the likeliest contenders are the civic si B16 or maybe the GS-R of the same year. I know the ITR is out unless i want to get into hydro conversion, which i'm know nothing about. If anyone can tell me for sure which different trannys will work with my engine as an alternative to stock replacement, your help would be greatly appreciated.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by R81DC2LS »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The B18a is the 92-93 gsr motors i believe.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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tytanik: your motor is a b18a1 (the g2 gsr motor is a b17a1).
The above guy is right... any b series cable tranny will work fine for you. Don't get a hydro tranny unless you want to have to buy extra parts and do extra work.
the shorter geared trannies came off of:
89-91 jdm b16a equipped vehicles (civic/crx and integras)
92-93 jdm integra xsi's
92-93 usdm gsr's
Be careful of tranny codes, all 92-93 usdm trannies are labelled "ys1" doesn't matter if its short or long gears. So you can't tell just by looking at it. You have to either pull it apart and inspect the gears (count teeth) or drive it and feel it for yourself. the j1 and y1 are only found in short gear form. a1 is only long gears, and s1 comes in both short and long...just depends on what car it came out of.
Also, if you get an 89-91 tranny you're going to need a 90-91 clutch. If you get a 92-93 tranny you're going to need a 92-93 clutch.
What exactly happened to your stock tranny?
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tytanik: your motor is a b18a1 (the g2 gsr motor is a b17a1).
The above guy is right... any b series cable tranny will work fine for you. Don't get a hydro tranny unless you want to have to buy extra parts and do extra work.
the shorter geared trannies came off of:
89-91 jdm b16a equipped vehicles (civic/crx and integras)
92-93 jdm integra xsi's
92-93 usdm gsr's
Be careful of tranny codes, all 92-93 usdm trannies are labelled "ys1" doesn't matter if its short or long gears. So you can't tell just by looking at it. You have to either pull it apart and inspect the gears (count teeth) or drive it and feel it for yourself. the j1 and y1 are only found in short gear form. a1 is only long gears, and s1 comes in both short and long...just depends on what car it came out of.
Also, if you get an 89-91 tranny you're going to need a 90-91 clutch. If you get a 92-93 tranny you're going to need a 92-93 clutch.
What exactly happened to your stock tranny?
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Re: (91IntegGS)
sweet thanks man, that was fast....i only posted that like 20 minutes ago
so i want something from either a japanese 89-91 civic/crx si, a japanese 92-3 integra (what's an xsi?) or a 92-3 american gs-r? but....with the gs-r tranny i can't tell which one it is till it's apart. but if i find a J1 or Y1, then those are for sure the right ones?
sorry, we don't have any import part specialists around here so i want to be able to say "give me one from this car or this car" and have a specific year/trim that i know will work. are all the bolt patterns the same to match with a b18 block?
the original tranny has decided it wants a new bearing, which while not horribly expensive, is a pain in the *** to get at. i'm heading to montreal for the grand prix next weekend which is about 700 km (450-500 miles) or so from here, and the car's making an ungodly noise that i don't necessarily trust for the 7 hour 150+km/h trip. since one bearing is gone i'm thinking the rest of the tranny may or may not be in great shape. my mechanic's gonna rip it apart and if it can be fixed with just a bearing then i'll do that for the sake of speed, but if the whole unit (140000km old) is going then i'm just going to swap it right now.
this tranny swap has been something i've been thinking about for a while but never had a reputable resource to provide me with this kind of info before. the bearing going just lit a fire under my *** to go do some homework and find some people who know more than me....hence here i am
thanks again for your help
so i want something from either a japanese 89-91 civic/crx si, a japanese 92-3 integra (what's an xsi?) or a 92-3 american gs-r? but....with the gs-r tranny i can't tell which one it is till it's apart. but if i find a J1 or Y1, then those are for sure the right ones?
sorry, we don't have any import part specialists around here so i want to be able to say "give me one from this car or this car" and have a specific year/trim that i know will work. are all the bolt patterns the same to match with a b18 block?
the original tranny has decided it wants a new bearing, which while not horribly expensive, is a pain in the *** to get at. i'm heading to montreal for the grand prix next weekend which is about 700 km (450-500 miles) or so from here, and the car's making an ungodly noise that i don't necessarily trust for the 7 hour 150+km/h trip. since one bearing is gone i'm thinking the rest of the tranny may or may not be in great shape. my mechanic's gonna rip it apart and if it can be fixed with just a bearing then i'll do that for the sake of speed, but if the whole unit (140000km old) is going then i'm just going to swap it right now.
this tranny swap has been something i've been thinking about for a while but never had a reputable resource to provide me with this kind of info before. the bearing going just lit a fire under my *** to go do some homework and find some people who know more than me....hence here i am
thanks again for your help
Re: (tytanik)
yes, 89-91 civic/crx... the civic was the "SiR" model, not sure what model the crx was.... they were both equipped with the 1st gen b16a. The 89-91 jdm integra xsi (xsi is just the model name... like rs/ls/gs/gsr over here), which also had a b16a.
Even the 92-93 xsi tranny is labelled "ys1" so there isn't anyway to tell it apart. If you find a reputable seller, then usually you can just trust them when buying one of the trannies that has two gearing options.
If you don't have import parts specialists around you, then you probably wouldn't be able to get one of the jdm trannies.
140k km's isn't that old. My old tranny lasted till 185k miles before the input shaft bearing started to go bad (didn't fail... so it didn't ruin any of the internals).
Even the 92-93 xsi tranny is labelled "ys1" so there isn't anyway to tell it apart. If you find a reputable seller, then usually you can just trust them when buying one of the trannies that has two gearing options.
If you don't have import parts specialists around you, then you probably wouldn't be able to get one of the jdm trannies.
140k km's isn't that old. My old tranny lasted till 185k miles before the input shaft bearing started to go bad (didn't fail... so it didn't ruin any of the internals).
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Re: (91IntegGS)
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tytanik: your motor is a b18a1 (the g2 gsr motor is a b17a1).
The above guy is right... any b series cable tranny will work fine for you. Don't get a hydro tranny unless you want to have to buy extra parts and do extra work.
the shorter geared trannies came off of:
89-91 jdm b16a equipped vehicles (civic/crx and integras)
92-93 jdm integra xsi's
92-93 usdm gsr's
Be careful of tranny codes, all 92-93 usdm trannies are labelled "ys1" doesn't matter if its short or long gears. So you can't tell just by looking at it. You have to either pull it apart and inspect the gears (count teeth) or drive it and feel it for yourself. the j1 and y1 are only found in short gear form. a1 is only long gears, and s1 comes in both short and long...just depends on what car it came out of.
Also, if you get an 89-91 tranny you're going to need a 90-91 clutch. If you get a 92-93 tranny you're going to need a 92-93 clutch.
What exactly happened to your stock tranny?
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That pretty much covers everything you need to know
. If you really wanna get serious with it. ITR tranny internals can be put in USDM YS1 tranny cases with a little modification to the casing to use the ITR differential with the ITR gears, but we're talking a lotta money right there. The JDM S1 tranny is very similar to the gearing of a Type R tranny by the way. Also, since you own a 2nd gen integra ( to you hehe), http://www.g2ic.com is a forum specifically for our generation integras. I suggest you sign up with them too, they have a lotta good info on our cars
Modified by ThE bEe GuY at 1:23 AM 6/1/2004
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tytanik: your motor is a b18a1 (the g2 gsr motor is a b17a1).
The above guy is right... any b series cable tranny will work fine for you. Don't get a hydro tranny unless you want to have to buy extra parts and do extra work.
the shorter geared trannies came off of:
89-91 jdm b16a equipped vehicles (civic/crx and integras)
92-93 jdm integra xsi's
92-93 usdm gsr's
Be careful of tranny codes, all 92-93 usdm trannies are labelled "ys1" doesn't matter if its short or long gears. So you can't tell just by looking at it. You have to either pull it apart and inspect the gears (count teeth) or drive it and feel it for yourself. the j1 and y1 are only found in short gear form. a1 is only long gears, and s1 comes in both short and long...just depends on what car it came out of.
Also, if you get an 89-91 tranny you're going to need a 90-91 clutch. If you get a 92-93 tranny you're going to need a 92-93 clutch.
What exactly happened to your stock tranny?
</TD></TR></TABLE>
That pretty much covers everything you need to know
. If you really wanna get serious with it. ITR tranny internals can be put in USDM YS1 tranny cases with a little modification to the casing to use the ITR differential with the ITR gears, but we're talking a lotta money right there. The JDM S1 tranny is very similar to the gearing of a Type R tranny by the way. Also, since you own a 2nd gen integra ( to you hehe), http://www.g2ic.com is a forum specifically for our generation integras. I suggest you sign up with them too, they have a lotta good info on our cars Modified by ThE bEe GuY at 1:23 AM 6/1/2004
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The Bee Guy is correct, I have a YS1 with ITR LSD/differential.
XSI/GSR YS1's are the shortest when it comes to cable trannies.
Then the S1 is the 2nd shortest...Y1 had the LSD option(along with XSI YS1), but the Y1 has longer gears than the S1.
Either way, you will be happier going with any of those, compared to your LS YS1.
Remember, your MPG will suffer (unless you do some tranny work).
XSI/GSR YS1's are the shortest when it comes to cable trannies.
Then the S1 is the 2nd shortest...Y1 had the LSD option(along with XSI YS1), but the Y1 has longer gears than the S1.
Either way, you will be happier going with any of those, compared to your LS YS1.
Remember, your MPG will suffer (unless you do some tranny work).
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Re: (Nihonjin)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nihonjin »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Bee Guy is correct, I have a YS1 with ITR LSD/differential.
XSI/GSR YS1's are the shortest when it comes to cable trannies.
Then the S1 is the 2nd shortest...Y1 had the LSD option(along with XSI YS1), but the Y1 has longer gears than the S1.
Either way, you will be happier going with any of those, compared to your LS YS1.
Remember, your MPG will suffer (unless you do some tranny work).</TD></TR></TABLE>
1) you can put any set of hydro b series tranny gears in a ys1 case....doesn't have to be itr
2) Worse mpg? Do you know this from experience? People like to say this a lot, but I'm not sure how true it is. I went from a stock 91 gs to a rebuilt b17a w/ gsr ys1 in the same car.....my mpg actually increased. One factor was the rebuild, another was the fact that my flywheel was a little lighter....but the increase in mpg was pretty large. And it was an increase in freeway mpg, even going 80-90mph on the freeway. I'm not saying that you'll get better mpg w/ the shorter geared tranny, but from my experience it just doesn't seem like it could reall hurt mpg all that much, if any.
XSI/GSR YS1's are the shortest when it comes to cable trannies.
Then the S1 is the 2nd shortest...Y1 had the LSD option(along with XSI YS1), but the Y1 has longer gears than the S1.
Either way, you will be happier going with any of those, compared to your LS YS1.
Remember, your MPG will suffer (unless you do some tranny work).</TD></TR></TABLE>
1) you can put any set of hydro b series tranny gears in a ys1 case....doesn't have to be itr
2) Worse mpg? Do you know this from experience? People like to say this a lot, but I'm not sure how true it is. I went from a stock 91 gs to a rebuilt b17a w/ gsr ys1 in the same car.....my mpg actually increased. One factor was the rebuild, another was the fact that my flywheel was a little lighter....but the increase in mpg was pretty large. And it was an increase in freeway mpg, even going 80-90mph on the freeway. I'm not saying that you'll get better mpg w/ the shorter geared tranny, but from my experience it just doesn't seem like it could reall hurt mpg all that much, if any.
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Re: (91IntegGS)
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2) Worse mpg? Do you know this from experience? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes. Went from a CX tranny to an EX tranny.
I'm about to go from S1 to YS1(xsi), but there's less of a difference b/w these two than with the CX/EX transmissions.
2) Worse mpg? Do you know this from experience? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes. Went from a CX tranny to an EX tranny.
I'm about to go from S1 to YS1(xsi), but there's less of a difference b/w these two than with the CX/EX transmissions.
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