I can't find a dyno graph comparing the two or i can't find them seperatly with about the same setup to see the closeness......so

In your opinion Which would you prefer.....or which do you think put out more HP??

 

Boy for someone that has supposedly had the R for two years already, you are asking all the new guy questions all in one week and headlong into spending loads of $$$.

Get to a track and get some seat time. Then think of power mods. Or haven't you caught that idea yet.

And no I don't know of anywhere comparing the 2, why would you want to though for a daily driver? Peaky. What are IB "wicked" cams anyway? Or maybe I don't want to know.

 

IB wicked cams are the cams Import builder sells... they have the dyno graph showing that they beat out toda D's

i got the seat time....im just bored with my car....and i want to do more stuff to it....i just orignally wasn't real deep into cars....just got the type r cause it was pretty fast stock....and i liked what i read about them....yea i've had it for two years.....and have ran at the track....but now its time for some updates

 

https://honda-tech.com/zeroforum?id=44

 

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Get to a track and get some seat time. Then think of power mods. Or haven't you caught that idea yet.
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Bullshit.

Nothing wrong with "power mods" on a street car. Newsflash: stock ITR's are relatively slow.


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Then don't waste bandwith posting unhelpfully. There was a day in this borad when a question could get asked and answered.

 

damn everyone is hating on everyone lately.

as for the original question, I would say tuning is key in a situation like this. I dont know anything about the IB cams, but I do know that the JUN3's are more geared toward peak hp, and like to be revved out to high RPM in order to reach that power. I also know that my JUN3s untuned (0,0) have turned out very nicely so far and I know there is more power to be found with them, but not sure how much "midrange" power they have yet. I just dont have the money for tuning right now.

 

RLZ stage 3's

 

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Bullshit.

Nothing wrong with "power mods" on a street car. Newsflash: stock ITR's are relatively slow.


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I share your sentiments

 

well if they beat out toda d's then they must be pretty damn aggressive. I have jun 3's and love them, vary smooth and real fun to drive.

 

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Bad assumption. On a lower compression motor (&lt;~12:1), Jun III's would make more power than Toda D's would. On stock ITR's, Skunk Stage 1's can be tuned to make as much, if not more, power than JUN III's. Don't let lobe size fool you, if you don't have the compression to utelize it, its useless.

 

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thank you....


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Bad assumption. On a lower compression motor (&lt;~12:1), Jun III's would make more power than Toda D's would. On stock ITR's, Skunk Stage 1's can be tuned to make as much, if not more, power than JUN III's. Don't let lobe size fool you, if you don't have the compression to utelize it, its useless.</TD></TR></TABLE>

would you really take the skunks over the jun's?
or are you just speaking from a personal stand point?

 

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Has nothing to do with the brand....

 

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o i understand that....i was just asking on the actual cam...would he vouch for it over the jun?????

also which is harder to tune.....true enough i wont be tunning them but i still have to pay by the hour know what i mean

 

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o i understand that....i was just asking on the actual cam...would he vouch for it over the jun?????

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I wasn't vouching for the cams at all, I was trying to help you realize that the size of the cam isn't all that matters.

 

This is basically my setup the only difference is mine will be on a type R which i would assume would perform the same or better

 

It all depends on what compression you want to run. If you want to leave the compression under ~11.5:1, skunk2 1's, toda a's, and stock cams will provide excellent power and tremendoud midrange torque compared to JUN 3's/Skunk2 2's or Toda B/C/D's. Once you start creeping higher and higher in compression, you can take more advantage of higher lift and longer duration, so a bigger cam would make more power. Typically, JUN 3's love 12:1...along with Skunk2 2's. Toda C's/D's make a lot of their power way high in the RPM band, so 13:1 might suit their specs the best.

If you are looking to stick with a stock block and head, keep stock cams, and invest money in tuning, and good supporting mods like HyTech/SMS exhaust/header components. It is very possible to get to 200whp with stock cams if you peice together your components nicely.

 

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sorry...misunderstood you...but thanks for clarification

 

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My opinion is that Toda's are more of a midrange cam while the JUN's are all top end. And aslo, JUN's do not love 12:1, people love to run the JUN's at 12:1. At 12:1 I feel that Toda A's or B's could probably give the JUN's a run for their money (depending on displacement ofcourse). For example on a smaller displacement motor (ie B16) JUN III's are just too big, even at 12:1 CR. However on a 2.0l LS/V build at 12:1, the JUN's could be utelized for to their potential for their high lift and long duration since larger motors like to breath a lot more.

 

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If you are looking to stick with a stock block and head, keep stock cams, and invest money in tuning, and good supporting mods like HyTech/SMS exhaust/header components. It is very possible to get to 200whp with stock cams if you peice together your components nicely.</TD></TR></TABLE>

my only thing with that is i already have gotten rid of my stock cams for toda a's and there ok just not what i expected....im going to raise the compression a bit...and get those jun's also try for the smsp headers.....just gotta get my money right

 

get some cam gears, and get Hondata or Uberdata and go get tuned.

 

I would go with the Jun III's

 

yes....lets all base power mods on the basis of peak WHP numbers now

 

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Toda A's and B's are have more aggressive non-vtec lobes, so they can be good midrange cams. JUN 3s aren't too super down low, and shine up top, but I was more refferring to the Toda C/D where the aggressive lift (close to 13mm I believe on the VTEC lobe) requires lots of compression to breath along with lots of RPM's. Typically you dont see street motors setup to run the prefferable compression and RPM's to utilize the larger Toda profiles.

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It is very possible to break 210whp with 11:1 compression using JUN 3's and a 1.8L. Where it is very hard to break 200whp with toda A'a...or any stage 1 cam for that matter. I've seen healthy ITR motors using CTR pistons (close to ~12:1), push close to 220whp using JUN3's...I've yet to see these figures out of a midrange cam like the Toda A's or Sk2 1's. Although the useable power range can be very strong with the A's..and even CTR cams for that matter, but they will fall on their face up top, where the JUN's would rule. B's might be a different story, but even with the higher lift, they lack the long duration that the JUN 3's have that make them such a good top-end cam. I'd much sooner run B's on a street motor, mainly because the area under the curve would be much nicer compared to a JUN 3'ed motor, but at the same time, the JUN's would probably take the peak power battle.

It really depends on what you are after in terms of powerband. CTR/Toda A's/Sk2 1's all give you a healthy midrange while giving you a good topend. But if you are building a drag car, the JUN's work better because they start kicking **** after 7k.

 

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It is very possible to break 210whp with 11:1 compression using JUN 3's and a 1.8L. Where it is very hard to break 200whp with toda A'a...or any stage 1 cam for that matter. I've seen healthy ITR motors using CTR pistons (close to ~12:1), push close to 220whp using JUN3's...I've yet to see these figures out of a midrange cam like the Toda A's or Sk2 1's. Although the useable power range can be very strong with the A's..and even CTR cams for that matter, but they will fall on their face up top, where the JUN's would rule. B's might be a different story, but even with the higher lift, they lack the long duration that the JUN 3's have that make them such a good top-end cam. I'd much sooner run B's on a street motor, mainly because the area under the curve would be much nicer compared to a JUN 3'ed motor, but at the same time, the JUN's would probably take the peak power battle.

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thank you for real i really needed it