ok.. picking up a D16A6 this weekend..

looking forward, which is going to give me the best bang for my buck..

doing a Z6 vtec header swap ?

or doing turbo ?

i 'do' plan to do internals.. but probably not until winter, when it can sit in the garage..

lots of opinions please..

 

just go turbo mang

 

you cant compare the two. turbo will make way more power. vtec might give you a few extra horses and the ability to run a fat cam without bad affects on the street.

 

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yes, and less trouble. turbo, need oil lines, charge pipes, down pipe, intercooler. turbos require many parts, and just having THE turbo, is just one of the necessary parts required to boost a car.

vtec on the other hand, is all in the head. if the head is interchangable with that series block, then you can have vtec, with proper oil lines tapped, depending on the motor vtec is obviously easier, cheaper, but slower, compared to a d16a6 turbo

 

I remember someone using a dog analogy awhile back on another board...

Turbo is like a pit bull...mean, but can be made to behave.
Vtec is like a dancing poodle. While the fact that it can do a trick is cool, what you have is still a poodle.

Kinda silly but seemed somewhat appropriate.

 

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Turbo is like a pit bull...mean, but can be made to behave.
Vtec is like a dancing poodle. While the fact that it can do a trick is cool, what you have is still a poodle.

Kinda silly but seemed somewhat appropriate.</TD></TR></TABLE>


shut up, you are a silly poodle.

 

And I can't dance...I should change my name to DX Dave. Anything but Fee-Fee.

 

lmao, this has gone beyond being tech related

 

i would do neither...b series guy here , but if you had to id go with the vtec head...for turbo like stated above you need charge pipes, fuel management, spark managment, if you are going to boost you either do it properly or not at all, whats the point of having a turbo d that runs way to lean and then blow the engine up?

 

Look at some turbo torque curves, then look at a vtec N/A curve... Its like one gets up in the morning at 5:00am and gets to work and doesn't leave till all the work is done. The other gets up in the afternoon ( way too late ), thinks about doing some work for a while, then gets started, but never really gets the job done no matter how late his time card says.

Its like comparing a hardcore farmer with a kid that works at Chucky-cheese.

Is that "tech" enough

 

turbo hondas are maintenance and tuning ******. all-motor is easier to tune and alot less maintentance.

 

Boost it!

 

Ahhh... it wouldn't be honda-tech without guys like you!
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There's always that "Doode.. just save up for a B16A!" where there is a post about making some D-series power.

My vote (as if) - turbo the D16A6 without the Z6 head. It will save you some money so you can start saving for a some rods and pistons for the NEXT block with the bigger turbo! Boost is adictive and "Just say NO" doesn't apply!

 

thanks for all the great (and diverse) info..

4drEF - what would you consider safe turbo (unit? psi?) for stock internals on a D16 ?

regardless which way i go first, i was planning on ending up with both before next spring..

is the Z6 head a waste of time for the minimal gains it'll give ? even in addition to the boost ?

thanks guys..

 

i'm doing a full d16z6 swap and then eventually going turbo. i would say make sure you get the engine into good condition before boost. you don't wanna put more than IMO 6-8 psi on the stock block. you could do more if you wanna risk it but i wouldn't. get new rings, and head gasket. make sure your engine runs very well before throwing on the turbo.

 

hey i got nothing against d series, hell i had a d15b2 with si parts boosted to 9 psi with fuel and spark managment and busted off a 13.8, but alot of that was because i did a lot of tuning, sure u'll be quick IF you can get it tuned properly....there was a guy at the race track with a d16z6 with a graddy turbo kit and couldnt pull off better than a 16 sec pass, turbo+honda=lots of hours tuning

 

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4drEF - what would you consider safe turbo (unit? psi?) for stock internals on a D16 ?

thanks guys..</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm planning on running 6-8 lbs on my styock A6...Air Research T3 and Uberdata for management.

 

I'm sort of new to the turbo thing. I'm still researching it (I'm broke and can't afford it right now)

check D-series.org

They have a NICE forced induction forum.

If it's your first turbo setup I would suggest you keep it kinda low with a smaller turbo. A TD04 is a good starter turbo. Keep that at about 8 psi and you should be good. This is same turbo that you'll find in th Greddy kit.

The most cost effective setup I know of is Ubberdata management with a stock Z6 engine. Very reliable and puts down a good 200 hp with a $300 T3 off ebay.