RE010 or New 15X7 wheels & Azenis?
Thread Starter
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 272
Likes: 0
From: FL, USA
RE010's......OR..... new 15x7 wheels + Azenis ?????
gotta get some new tires for my R soon. i have OEM gunmetal wheels on my Black R, and have been running RE010's since the beginning since nothing works better on an OEM wheel.
however, i've been thinking instead of dumping another $550 or so into some new tires, why not try a new combo. i'd pick up some cheap (probably Team Dynamics in black) 15x7 wheels and some Falken Azenis. this combo will probably cost about $150 more this time around, about $700 total.
so, would this be worth it?
will the R handle better?
i've heard so so much about the grip of the Azenis, but heard how they feel too weird on a 6" wide wheel. i'm hoping with a 7" wheel the Azenis won't feel as numb as they do on a 6" OEM wheel.
what shoud i do????
TIA!
however, i've been thinking instead of dumping another $550 or so into some new tires, why not try a new combo. i'd pick up some cheap (probably Team Dynamics in black) 15x7 wheels and some Falken Azenis. this combo will probably cost about $150 more this time around, about $700 total.
so, would this be worth it?
will the R handle better?
i've heard so so much about the grip of the Azenis, but heard how they feel too weird on a 6" wide wheel. i'm hoping with a 7" wheel the Azenis won't feel as numb as they do on a 6" OEM wheel.
what shoud i do????
TIA!
Honda-Tech Member
iTrader: (10)
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 11,061
Likes: 0
From: bumper to bumper with AMERIE
Re: RE010's......OR..... new 15x7 wheels + Azenis ????? (TypeRuz)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TypeRuz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">however, i've been thinking instead of dumping another $550 or so into some new tires, why not try a new combo. i'd pick up some cheap (probably Team Dynamics in black) 15x7 wheels and some Falken Azenis. this combo will probably cost about $150 more this time around, about $700 total.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
imho, i would definately do it
then i would sell the stockers since you are in Fl, have no need for a bad weather setup and pay for a track day
</TD></TR></TABLE>
imho, i would definately do it
then i would sell the stockers since you are in Fl, have no need for a bad weather setup and pay for a track day
H-T Order of Merit
Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 96,507
Likes: 38
From: Siege Perilous
The Azenis are a much better buy than the 010's.
If the money for the 7" wheels is a problem, you might try the Azenis on the OEM USDM wheels, and then if you don't like the feel go ahead w/the 7" wheels.
There are lots of people who use Azenis on track cars and autocrosses, with USDM wheels, and they manage fine.
Personally, I would get the 7" wheels, but in all honesty I do know people who feel they're fine w/the OEM USDM wheels and their Azenis.
Azenis sidewalls are very stiff, and not all tyre shops can easily mount them. Just so you know. You might want to get a recommendation from someone in your area rather than take a chance that someone would damage the wheel or tyre putting them together.
If the money for the 7" wheels is a problem, you might try the Azenis on the OEM USDM wheels, and then if you don't like the feel go ahead w/the 7" wheels.
There are lots of people who use Azenis on track cars and autocrosses, with USDM wheels, and they manage fine.
Personally, I would get the 7" wheels, but in all honesty I do know people who feel they're fine w/the OEM USDM wheels and their Azenis.
Azenis sidewalls are very stiff, and not all tyre shops can easily mount them. Just so you know.
You might want to get a recommendation from someone in your area rather than take a chance that someone would damage the wheel or tyre putting them together.
Senior Member
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 30,826
Likes: 0
From: RIP Craig Jones
Re: RE010's......OR..... new 15x7 wheels + Azenis ????? (TypeRuz)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TypeRuz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">(probably Team Dynamics in black) 15x7 wheels and some Falken Azenis. </TD></TR></TABLE>
w00t
w00t
H-T Order of Merit
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 23,478
Likes: 2
From: Chicago
Re: (George Knighton)
Both these tires have been discussed a lot of times. My first recommendation is that you read this previous topic. In between all the flames, you'll find some good advice in there.
I don't think this is a clear-cut decision; it depends on what your priorities are. There are ways in which the Azenis are superior, and ways in which the RE010 are superior. This may also be affected by your usage; if you're using the tires only on dry tracks, you might reach a different conclusion than if you're using them for daily driving in all kinds of weather.
Although the Azenis is less expensive, a lot of that advantage is offset in treadlife. On average, the RE010 tends to last about 50 percent longer than the Azenis (with typical treadlife of 15-22K for the RE010 with an occasional report of up to 30K, vs typical treadlife of 10-15K for the Azenis with an occasional report of up to 20K). And, of course, if you're looking at buying another set of wheels for the Azenis, you have to factor that in as well.
You'll also hear a lot of comments about whether or not the Azenis are poor in the wet. Usually varying anywhere from "I drive in rain and they're fine" to "when the tread wears down, or you're going through puddles, you really need to watch out for hydroplaning". All in all, I would say that they are not THAT bad in rain, but nowhere near as good as tires that have smaller treadblocks with more channels to direct water to the sides of the tread, like the RE010 and many other street tires.
As you already know, the RE010 offers great handling "feel".
If I lived in a climate with not much rain - like Texas or Southern California - I would probably choose the Azenis. If I lived in a climate with a fair amount of rain and used the tires for daily driving - like Florida - I would stick with the RE010. (Oh wait - I DO live in a climate with a fair amount of rain and use the tires for daily driving - and I DO stick with the RE010! The original RE010 on my ITR have 20K miles on them and still have plenty of tread, thanks to frequent rotation and proper inflation.)
My last recommendation is to re-read that previous topic to avoid further repetition of all the same comments (and flames) that were posted there.
I don't think this is a clear-cut decision; it depends on what your priorities are. There are ways in which the Azenis are superior, and ways in which the RE010 are superior. This may also be affected by your usage; if you're using the tires only on dry tracks, you might reach a different conclusion than if you're using them for daily driving in all kinds of weather.
Although the Azenis is less expensive, a lot of that advantage is offset in treadlife. On average, the RE010 tends to last about 50 percent longer than the Azenis (with typical treadlife of 15-22K for the RE010 with an occasional report of up to 30K, vs typical treadlife of 10-15K for the Azenis with an occasional report of up to 20K). And, of course, if you're looking at buying another set of wheels for the Azenis, you have to factor that in as well.
You'll also hear a lot of comments about whether or not the Azenis are poor in the wet. Usually varying anywhere from "I drive in rain and they're fine" to "when the tread wears down, or you're going through puddles, you really need to watch out for hydroplaning". All in all, I would say that they are not THAT bad in rain, but nowhere near as good as tires that have smaller treadblocks with more channels to direct water to the sides of the tread, like the RE010 and many other street tires.
As you already know, the RE010 offers great handling "feel".
If I lived in a climate with not much rain - like Texas or Southern California - I would probably choose the Azenis. If I lived in a climate with a fair amount of rain and used the tires for daily driving - like Florida - I would stick with the RE010. (Oh wait - I DO live in a climate with a fair amount of rain and use the tires for daily driving - and I DO stick with the RE010! The original RE010 on my ITR have 20K miles on them and still have plenty of tread, thanks to frequent rotation and proper inflation.)
My last recommendation is to re-read that previous topic to avoid further repetition of all the same comments (and flames) that were posted there.
Trending Topics
Senior Member
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 30,826
Likes: 0
From: RIP Craig Jones
Re: RE010's......OR..... new 15x7 wheels + Azenis ????? (Todd00)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd00 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Put the RE010 on a 15x7" rim. I really wanna see someone try that and get their feedback.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Send me a set and I'll do a write up
Send me a set and I'll do a write up
Honda-Tech Member
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 9,684
Likes: 1
Re: RE010's......OR..... new 15x7 wheels + Azenis ????? (EJ1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EJ1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">$550 on a wear item.... crazy!</TD></TR></TABLE>
your motor is a wear item too....guess how much that costs
your motor is a wear item too....guess how much that costs
H-T Order of Merit
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 23,478
Likes: 2
From: Chicago
Re: RE010's......OR..... new 15x7 wheels + Azenis ????? (EJ1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EJ1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">$550 on a wear item.... crazy!</TD></TR></TABLE>
First of all, it's probably more like $530 ($504 for the tires plus ~$26 shipping). Add in ~$60 for mounting and it's $590.
A set of Azenis typically cost around $300 shipped, plus the same ~$60 for mounting is $360.
Because (as noted above) the RE010 lasts 50 percent longer than the Azenis, you will go through three sets of Azenis in about the same mileage (for most folks, in 30-45K miles) that you go through two sets of RE010. Three sets of Azenis = 3 x $360 = $1080. Two sets of RE010 = 2 x $590 = $1180. Which means that there is less than 10 percent difference in price between the two tires, when you adjust for the difference in treadlife.
First of all, it's probably more like $530 ($504 for the tires plus ~$26 shipping). Add in ~$60 for mounting and it's $590.
A set of Azenis typically cost around $300 shipped, plus the same ~$60 for mounting is $360.
Because (as noted above) the RE010 lasts 50 percent longer than the Azenis, you will go through three sets of Azenis in about the same mileage (for most folks, in 30-45K miles) that you go through two sets of RE010. Three sets of Azenis = 3 x $360 = $1080. Two sets of RE010 = 2 x $590 = $1180. Which means that there is less than 10 percent difference in price between the two tires, when you adjust for the difference in treadlife.
Thread Starter
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 272
Likes: 0
From: FL, USA
Re: RE010's......OR..... new 15x7 wheels + Azenis ????? (Soup ****)
no one really answered yet....how is the handling compared between OEM wheels + RE010's to 15x7 wheels + Azenis?
stock suspension here, btw.
stock suspension here, btw.
I said I don't want a title!
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 11,506
Likes: 2
From: OH
Re: RE010's......OR..... new 15x7 wheels + Azenis ????? (TypeRuz)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TypeRuz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no one really answered yet....how is the handling compared between OEM wheels + RE010's to 15x7 wheels + Azenis?
stock suspension here, btw.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The 15x7 with Azenis is going to handle better than the oem wheels + re010's.
But for street driving, the Azenis is not the ideal tire. The re010 is much better. For an HPDE or something, the Azenis will be the way to go.
stock suspension here, btw.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The 15x7 with Azenis is going to handle better than the oem wheels + re010's.
But for street driving, the Azenis is not the ideal tire. The re010 is much better. For an HPDE or something, the Azenis will be the way to go.
Honda-Tech Member
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 8,136
Likes: 2
From: kuidaore
Re: RE010's......OR..... new 15x7 wheels + Azenis ????? (Todd00)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd00 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The 15x7 with Azenis is going to handle better than the oem wheels + re010's.
But for street driving, the Azenis is not the ideal tire. The re010 is much better. For an HPDE or something, the Azenis will be the way to go.</TD></TR></TABLE>
This is the answer I'd give, if you didn't beat me to it.
Although I don't daily drive my R, or with the 15x7 Azenis setup for that matter. I don't find any drawbacks to it on the road besides maybe having to be more careful in the rain when they are at least half worn.
I tracked brand new azenis twice in the rain and had no real issues. Ya just gotta be more careful and avoid standing or pooling water. They are clearly Not a great rain tire but for maximum grip in the dry they can't be beat especially for the price.
The 15x7 with Azenis is going to handle better than the oem wheels + re010's.
But for street driving, the Azenis is not the ideal tire. The re010 is much better. For an HPDE or something, the Azenis will be the way to go.</TD></TR></TABLE>
This is the answer I'd give, if you didn't beat me to it.
Although I don't daily drive my R, or with the 15x7 Azenis setup for that matter. I don't find any drawbacks to it on the road besides maybe having to be more careful in the rain when they are at least half worn.
I tracked brand new azenis twice in the rain and had no real issues. Ya just gotta be more careful and avoid standing or pooling water. They are clearly Not a great rain tire but for maximum grip in the dry they can't be beat especially for the price.
Honda-Tech Member
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,987
Likes: 0
From: FL
Re: RE010's......OR..... new 15x7 wheels + Azenis ????? (Soup ****)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Soup **** »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
your motor is a wear item too....guess how much that costs</TD></TR></TABLE>
True, but you shouldn't ever have to replace it.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
First of all, it's probably more like $530 ($504 for the tires plus ~$26 shipping). Add in ~$60 for mounting and it's $590.
A set of Azenis typically cost around $300 shipped, plus the same ~$60 for mounting is $360.
Because (as noted above) the RE010 lasts 50 percent longer than the Azenis, you will go through three sets of Azenis in about the same mileage (for most folks, in 30-45K miles) that you go through two sets of RE010. Three sets of Azenis = 3 x $360 = $1080. Two sets of RE010 = 2 x $590 = $1180. Which means that there is less than 10 percent difference in price between the two tires, when you adjust for the difference in treadlife.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Good point. I'm just not the type of guy to shell out a lot of money for something I'm just going to replace later hence me purchasing Yoke ES's.
your motor is a wear item too....guess how much that costs
</TD></TR></TABLE>True, but you shouldn't ever have to replace it.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
First of all, it's probably more like $530 ($504 for the tires plus ~$26 shipping). Add in ~$60 for mounting and it's $590.
A set of Azenis typically cost around $300 shipped, plus the same ~$60 for mounting is $360.
Because (as noted above) the RE010 lasts 50 percent longer than the Azenis, you will go through three sets of Azenis in about the same mileage (for most folks, in 30-45K miles) that you go through two sets of RE010. Three sets of Azenis = 3 x $360 = $1080. Two sets of RE010 = 2 x $590 = $1180. Which means that there is less than 10 percent difference in price between the two tires, when you adjust for the difference in treadlife.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Good point. I'm just not the type of guy to shell out a lot of money for something I'm just going to replace later hence me purchasing Yoke ES's.
Trial User
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 1,801
Likes: 0
From: drink for health
Re: RE010's......OR..... new 15x7 wheels + Azenis ????? (Todd00)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd00 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Put the RE010 on a 15x7" rim. I really wanna see someone try that and get their feedback.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i have been using azenis on a 15x7 wheel and i'm about to put on 195/55 re010 on 15x6.5 slipstreams (waiting on the wheels). i'm expecting an improvement in steering feel and a nice decrease in wheel/tire weights.
i have been using azenis on a 15x7 wheel and i'm about to put on 195/55 re010 on 15x6.5 slipstreams (waiting on the wheels). i'm expecting an improvement in steering feel and a nice decrease in wheel/tire weights.
H-T Order of Merit
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 23,478
Likes: 2
From: Chicago
Re: RE010's......OR..... new 15x7 wheels + Azenis ????? (EJ1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EJ1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm just not the type of guy to shell out a lot of money for something I'm just going to replace later hence me purchasing Yoke ES's.</TD></TR></TABLE>
From a performance-for-the-money standpoint, it doesn't make a lot of sense to spend a lot more for a high-performance car like the ITR and then degrade its performance by putting on less than high-performance tires; you would be better off spending the money for better tires than for a car like the ITR. For example, if you wanted to save money by spending less than you would for an ITR with RE010 or Azenis, you would be better off with a GS-R with RE010 or Azenis than you would with an ITR with the ES100. This is why most folks agree that the first and best mod you can do for the money is tires (particularly on a car that doesn't come with tires as good as the RE010).
Nothing against the ES100 here - it's a great tire for the money, and I use them on the GS-R. But if I had to use them on my ITR, I wouldn't have bothered paying for the ITR in the first place.
From a performance-for-the-money standpoint, it doesn't make a lot of sense to spend a lot more for a high-performance car like the ITR and then degrade its performance by putting on less than high-performance tires; you would be better off spending the money for better tires than for a car like the ITR. For example, if you wanted to save money by spending less than you would for an ITR with RE010 or Azenis, you would be better off with a GS-R with RE010 or Azenis than you would with an ITR with the ES100. This is why most folks agree that the first and best mod you can do for the money is tires (particularly on a car that doesn't come with tires as good as the RE010).
Nothing against the ES100 here - it's a great tire for the money, and I use them on the GS-R. But if I had to use them on my ITR, I wouldn't have bothered paying for the ITR in the first place.
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 3,957
Likes: 0
From: Hype R less in Pa...
Re: RE010's......OR..... new 15x7 wheels + Azenis ????? (nsxtasy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">From a performance-for-the-money standpoint, it doesn't make a lot of sense to spend a lot more for a high-performance car like the ITR and then degrade its performance by putting on less than high-performance tires; you would be better off spending the money for better tires than for a car like the ITR. For example, if you wanted to save money by spending less than you would for an ITR with RE010 or Azenis, you would be better off with a GS-R with RE010 or Azenis than you would with an ITR with the ES100. This is why most folks agree that the first and best mod you can do for the money is tires (particularly on a car that doesn't come with tires as good as the RE010).
Nothing against the ES100 here - it's a great tire for the money, and I use them on the GS-R. But if I had to use them on my ITR, I wouldn't have bothered paying for the ITR in the first place.</TD></TR></TABLE>
great summary, I couldn't agree more...
Those Team Dynamics wheels are awesome btw
Nothing against the ES100 here - it's a great tire for the money, and I use them on the GS-R. But if I had to use them on my ITR, I wouldn't have bothered paying for the ITR in the first place.</TD></TR></TABLE>
great summary, I couldn't agree more...
Those Team Dynamics wheels are awesome btw
Honda-Tech Member
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 536
Likes: 0
Re: RE010's......OR..... new 15x7 wheels + Azenis ????? (nsxtasy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
From a performance-for-the-money standpoint, it doesn't make a lot of sense to spend a lot more for a high-performance car like the ITR and then degrade its performance by putting on less than high-performance tires; you would be better off spending the money for better tires than for a car like the ITR. For example, if you wanted to save money by spending less than you would for an ITR with RE010 or Azenis, you would be better off with a GS-R with RE010 or Azenis than you would with an ITR with the ES100. This is why most folks agree that the first and best mod you can do for the money is tires (particularly on a car that doesn't come with tires as good as the RE010).
Nothing against the ES100 here - it's a great tire for the money, and I use them on the GS-R. But if I had to use them on my ITR, I wouldn't have bothered paying for the ITR in the first place.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Totally agree with you, and that's why I have A032R on my ITR, yeah, people may flame me it's not a tire for daily driving, heck, my ITR is a weekend car and whenever I drive it, I am going to drive it the way it should be driven, ITR is not a meant to be daily car anyway imo. And it's worth the money to get the ITR some good tires.
I like Azenis on my beat EG but I am still hesitate to use them on ITR. Are they really better than 010 in term of dry grip? And yes, I know Anezis is noiser than 010.
From a performance-for-the-money standpoint, it doesn't make a lot of sense to spend a lot more for a high-performance car like the ITR and then degrade its performance by putting on less than high-performance tires; you would be better off spending the money for better tires than for a car like the ITR. For example, if you wanted to save money by spending less than you would for an ITR with RE010 or Azenis, you would be better off with a GS-R with RE010 or Azenis than you would with an ITR with the ES100. This is why most folks agree that the first and best mod you can do for the money is tires (particularly on a car that doesn't come with tires as good as the RE010).
Nothing against the ES100 here - it's a great tire for the money, and I use them on the GS-R. But if I had to use them on my ITR, I wouldn't have bothered paying for the ITR in the first place.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Totally agree with you, and that's why I have A032R on my ITR, yeah, people may flame me it's not a tire for daily driving, heck, my ITR is a weekend car and whenever I drive it, I am going to drive it the way it should be driven, ITR is not a meant to be daily car anyway imo. And it's worth the money to get the ITR some good tires.
I like Azenis on my beat EG but I am still hesitate to use them on ITR. Are they really better than 010 in term of dry grip? And yes, I know Anezis is noiser than 010.
Honda-Tech Member
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 2,051
Likes: 0
From: Kansas City
Re: RE010's......OR..... new 15x7 wheels + Azenis ????? (magic hat #9)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by magic hat #9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have been using azenis on a 15x7 wheel and i'm about to put on 195/55 re010 on 15x6.5 slipstreams (waiting on the wheels). i'm expecting an improvement in steering feel and a nice decrease in wheel/tire weights.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You definitely will experience better steering feel and decreased weight. However, that will be at the cost of ultimate grip. Not a bad tradeoff for a street car, just not the way to go with a track car.
You definitely will experience better steering feel and decreased weight. However, that will be at the cost of ultimate grip. Not a bad tradeoff for a street car, just not the way to go with a track car.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
gyrmaersk
Honda CRX / EF Civic (1988 - 1991)
1
Apr 21, 2006 12:57 AM