After putting in some Toda 81.5mm pistons and some Toda 'C's, it was time to take the ITR in for some tuning. Carlos (aka Bubba) dialed in the A/F on the motor, and moved the VTEC point to optimize power output. VTEC ended up at 7,500. He called his DynoJet "Heartbreaker", and it was that

Run #12 is after everything is tuned, and we tried the velocity stack style intake with about 1 1/2 feet of tubing.
Run #13 was made with no changes other than making the intake tubing about 3 feet in length using the same velocity stack.



Run #11 is with the AEM CAI tuned vs Run #13 the velocity stack with 3' of intake tubing.




There is a lot more power in this engine. There is another head on the shelf, along with some Skunk 2 Stage 2 cams, and a couple of headers. More dyno testing will be done on this motor after the drag Civic gets tuned for Pomona this weekend.

 

I like. Trackmasters gets a

 

not bad
what other mods are on this motor besides the pistons and the cams?

this sounds similar to my setup

 

Stock bottom end with the exception of the pistons. Head ported and cc'd to 84mm's (was for another motor, but needed a head so I slammed it on) so compression is below Toda's advertised 12.4:1, more like 11.8:1 or so. Eibach valve springs, stock retainers, Toda 'C's as stated before. Comptech 4-2-1 race header with 2 1/2 " collector, stock ITR cat back. AEM CAI, RPM 70-66mm throttle body, AEBS IM, RC 440 cc injectors. Hondata.
After tuning, the car is quick. Butt dyno could feel the flat spot when VTEC kicked in before tuning.
Trackmasters moved the cam gears to +2 on the intake and -2 on the exhaust, but that did not improve the power output much. The increased overlap did make the car idle like ****, so I moved the intake cam back to zero and went +2 on the exhaust when I got home. Car idles like butter now, and may have picked up a couple of HP. The original head from this motor is back from the machine shop, so when there is time, head will be swapped back on. Compression should bump back up to about 12.5:1. Then back to the dyno for more testing. I wish I had my own dyno

 

Most of the Time less is better....

Nice numbers, But I would of expected More power?

I made 199.7 with stage 1 cams and JDM itr Pistons for example!

Eric

 

you can do much better. You should try Autowave in Huntington Beach

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PolySquared &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you can do much better. You should try Autowave in Huntington Beach </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yea he can, on a dyno that reads higher. They call that dyno 'The Slayer' because barly anyone breaks 200's. Ive had friends dyno much higher on one dyno then went there and got the lower readings but a great tuner with it. Dyno's make the difference as you know so that one is infamous for reading lower.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PolySquared &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you can do much better. You should try Autowave in Huntington Beach </TD></TR></TABLE>

trackmasters dyno reads all low because of the high *** elevation i believe.

omniman made like 227 at dynamic autosports dyno and around 200 i think at trackmasters.

 

The AEM intake did very well.

 

Trackmasters

 

Seems kinda low to me...but I dont know.

Chad is making 190 on his stock ITR

 

Trackmasters dyno on average read 5%-8% lower than most dynos depending on weather

 

nice set up but I agree those numbers look a tad on the low side, i would think you shoul dbe around 200 with those mods.

 

another question I have is why does the power stop in the 8k rpm range? is that just how toda's are? I have jun 3's with hondata and it makes power all the way to 9.4k, is that just the difference in the cams?

incase you would also like to know I made 190 whp with just the cams.

 

every dyno is different folks, some read a lot higher than others... so before you go saying "you should be making xxx hp", take this into account.

 

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I know this but I have never seen any two dyno's be 10 hp different on any itr. I could be wrong and most likely am but thats just what I have seen. I am no expert.

 

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Each dyno is different ..

Good numbers Todd....

I made 188whp and it was good for 12s ...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PolySquared &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you can do much better. You should try Autowave in Huntington Beach </TD></TR></TABLE>

...and accomplish what? Gain the right to say he makes 195 whp? Or 200whp? Don't be a bench racer, no one gives two ***** about how much power a motor puts out. If you can't put the power to use, its irrelevant how much of it you have. If you want to fool yourself and brag about numbers, go get dynoed on a Dynapack, you'll be very pleased with your results.

And yes Bubba's dyno is nicknamed the 'Slayer' and the 'Heartbreaker' and the 'Bitch' (That one comes after it breaks a bench racer's heart ofcourse )

Allmotor18 has the right attitude.

 

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I know this but I have never seen any two dyno's be 10 hp different on any itr. I could be wrong and most likely am but thats just what I have seen. I am no expert.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Try close to 20 whp. And yes, I have the graphs to prove it.

 

you said it best

When i ran my full bodied all motor teg and pomona it made like 205hp & 140 lbs
and it went 12.80's with a 1.80 6ft. So I can care less what my numbers are like I was pretty happy with the time. My motor has a lot more in it

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kitkatR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have jun 3's with hondata and it makes power all the way to 9.4k</TD></TR></TABLE>

I would like to see that graph. I am going to Church Automotive where I will put down 220
Seriously, I want to go back there (Church) just to compare this motor to my previous graphs there. Thanks for the vote of confidence, Jason

 

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I would like to see that graph. I am going to Church Automotive where I will put down 220 </TD></TR></TABLE>

Dynapack. Come worried, leave happy. And I'm not knocking Dynapacks at all, they are excellent for tuning. They just tend to artificically boost egos.

 

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Dynapack. Come worried, leave happy. And I'm not knocking Dynapacks at all, they are excellent for tuning. They just tend to artificically boost egos. </TD></TR></TABLE>


haha isnt that the truth!!!!

 

i dont have the graph on me its at my parents across the country but I can find one before it got retuned...... found it over at hondata. They later retuned it to make 190 wph and bumped cut off to 9.4k rpm I dont know why its not on there but it was all done at aebs. I really wish I had the other dyno sheet with me it is amazing to look at. maybe in 3 weeks when I go back home and can put some pics up.

also a big gainer for the hp we got the second time was the cat, i guess the car sound the first time was partly clogged so we gutted it.

 

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trackmasters dyno reads all low because of the high *** elevation i believe.

omniman made like 227 at dynamic autosports dyno and around 200 i think at trackmasters.</TD></TR></TABLE>

all you people don't read do you, (well most of you lol) i posted this and still i see "that dyno looks a lil low...waaah waaah waaaah"

READ! don't just type READ!


rod- who is tired of trying to be informative and people still don't read lol