Hey guys! You probably don't see me around here, but i've been a member for quite a while. I have been working on swapping in a B16A into my car for, I'd say since January of 2003, when i purchased the B16, and since then, I bought what ever parts i need to what my budget could allow me. But, FINALLY! as of April 2004, my B16 project went under way and just recently completed this month. (Actually, a couple days ago) I don't have pictures of the final product, but I do have pics of when the making was in progress, so enjoy!
All pics made possible by Joey F.



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Joey F. was there to help out, him and his crazy wiring skills. He was the master mind of switching my ECU plugs to DX to Si, and then to B16A (nah, my mom didn't help with us this time )

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JarJay was out, as well as D-Tuned to help me with the swap. (others not photo'ed, but helped out:Haireez, and Beast) Thanks bro's for helpin me out!

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Welp, there's the beast as it sits very tightly into my engine bay. I'm using HCP mounts, but I had no room for the front mount unless I drilled another hole in the front mount bracket, but it still doesn't want to move with just the 3.

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I made just enough room for the alternator. I'd say it came about 2~3 mm away from hittin the side, but sall good now

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While Joey F. was gettin down and dirty with the wiring, the rest of us worked on gettin the shift linkage in, as well as a bunch of other stuff on the "to do" list
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i'm using is a PW0 ECU, and I have an HCP EF18x one piece shift linkage with Energy suspension shifter bushings, and B&M short shifter

So yeah, everything carried on till night times, and we finally finished up all we could that day.
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That's it for now. These were all pics of that days work. Keep on the look out in my garage on the SPL website for an update of my info. I'll try and update you guys with new pics here on H-T.

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photobucket is down for me sorry to say, ill post them back up if i can


Modified by K_1 at 9:37 AM 6/9/2004

 

Looks good bro!! Let us know how it feels when you drive it for the first time.

 

Welcome to the EF b-series family

 

sweet car, welcome

 

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Yah...welcome to the highly priced engine family too! LOL J/P It was fun working on that thing...hopefully the SOHC hatch can take it!

"You wanna battle??!!?"

 

what mounts are those?

 

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Hey! thanks guys! So far, i've been driving it around for a couple of days. the first time we had it completed, me and Joey F. took it out, but there was still a whole bunch of stuff on the "after swap to do" list we still need completed:

1. Speedometer doesn't work. I think i'll be needing a DA Speedo-cable if any one is selling one
2. my timing is a little off cause we're using a modified D16A6 distributor because Hmotorsonline gave me a bad Dizzy i paid a good extra $100 for along with the engine (NOTE TO ALL! do not buy Dizzy's from Hmotorsonline!&gt; I had to buy another B16A Distributor from AllMotor91CrX here on H-T...need that installed asap
3. check engine light comes on because I only have one O2 sensor on the header...I'll need an O2 bung welded on my test pipe to solve that problem.
4. my battery still sits in my engine bay, so it leaves no room for my intake, so im running Joey F.'s famous mom's stocking intake special on my throttle body! LoL (just temporary until i have my battery relocated)
5. still running stock exhaust until I invest in an after market one.

I say this all leaves my car still 60% complete because right now, it's an alright daily driver, but because of the off timing, the check engine light, and no speedometer, it's still not reliable. Once its up to 100%, it's ready for its first Autocross!

oh yeah, I also forgot to give a list of goodies I already have for my car, some already listed on my sig:

Engine:
DC Sports 4-2-1 Headers
Apex Power Intake filter(in progress of installing)
Fidanza 7 lbs. lite weight flywheel
HCP engine mounts (front not used)
HCP one piece shift linkage w/ Energy Suspension B16 shifter bushings
B&M short shifter

Chassis:
Tokico Illumina 5-way adjustable Dampers
93 integra 10.2" front brakes w/ Brembo blanks and Nippon pads
93 integra non-ABS axles with 93 integra intermediate shaft
Del Sol 14" rims with Discount Tire specials (got rims and tires deal for $80!)

So far, i'm loving the awesome throttle response my flywheel has, and doesn't even give me any trouble for daily drive.(that's just me though) I hope to get my intake in soon and feel how that stands up. I haven't been able to gun my car to full potential so I don't know how my headers take effect of power gains. (Although, I did get a little taste of VTEC when I shifted to 6 grand with Joey F. in the car with me...then my check engine light came on for the first time ) shifting is nice and smooth! and the car is nice and vibratey because of the stiff *** engine mounts...right now, I still have to baby my car until I get my second O2 plugged up, my new B16 disributor installed and timed, and my battery relocated for my intake. but after completing the swap, i was left with this! *pulls out pockets like bunny ears* so until next time, I'll will try and have pics up for you guys to see, and some mullah to complete my car.

 

pretty nice man, thats awesome youve had so much help, i did all that **** by myself, and im barely 16! its all in good fun tho right? let me know how it feels the first time you hit vtec. best feeling in the world! keep up the good work man! later.

 

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Hey! thanks guys! So far, i've been driving it around for a couple of days. the first time we had it completed, me and Joey F. took it out, but there was still a whole bunch of stuff on the "after swap to do" list we still need completed:

1. Speedometer doesn't work. I think i'll be needing a DA Speedo-cable if any one is selling one
2. my timing is a little off cause we're using a modified D16A6 distributor because Hmotorsonline gave me a bad Dizzy i paid a good extra $100 for along with the engine (NOTE TO ALL! do not buy Dizzy's from Hmotorsonline!&gt; I had to buy another B16A Distributor from AllMotor91CrX here on H-T...need that installed asap
3. check engine light comes on because I only have one O2 sensor on the header...I'll need an O2 bung welded on my test pipe to solve that problem.
4. my battery still sits in my engine bay, so it leaves no room for my intake, so im running Joey F.'s famous mom's stocking intake special on my throttle body! LoL (just temporary until i have my battery relocated)
5. still running stock exhaust until I invest in an after market one.

I say this all leaves my car still 60% complete because right now, it's an alright daily driver, but because of the off timing, the check engine light, and no speedometer, it's still not reliable. Once its up to 100%, it's ready for its first Autocross!

oh yeah, I also forgot to give a list of goodies I already have for my car, some already listed on my sig:

Engine:
DC Sports 4-2-1 Headers
Apex Power Intake filter(in progress of installing)
Fidanza 7 lbs. lite weight flywheel
HCP engine mounts (front not used)
HCP one piece shift linkage w/ Energy Suspension B16 shifter bushings
B&M short shifter

Chassis:
Tokico Illumina 5-way adjustable Dampers
93 integra 10.2" front brakes w/ Brembo blanks and Nippon pads
93 integra non-ABS axles with 93 integra intermediate shaft
Del Sol 14" rims with Discount Tire specials (got rims and tires deal for $80!)

So far, i'm loving the awesome throttle response my flywheel has, and doesn't even give me any trouble for daily drive.(that's just me though) I hope to get my intake in soon and feel how that stands up. I haven't been able to gun my car to full potential so I don't know how my headers take effect of power gains. (Although, I did get a little taste of VTEC when I shifted to 6 grand with Joey F. in the car with me...then my check engine light came on for the first time ) shifting is nice and smooth! and the car is nice and vibratey because of the stiff *** engine mounts...right now, I still have to baby my car until I get my second O2 plugged up, my new B16 disributor installed and timed, and my battery relocated for my intake. but after completing the swap, i was left with this! *pulls out pockets like bunny ears* so until next time, I'll will try and have pics up for you guys to see, and some mullah to complete my car. </TD></TR></TABLE>

You need to put your TWO O2 sensors in the right place if you want it to run best. I assume you are running PR3 or a PW0. One needs to read the PAIR of cylinders 1+4 and the other 2+3, thats how the ECU needs to see them to run right.

Get a late 90's GSR cluster and just wire it to the VSS and ECU so the Ecu gets the right Signal, It doesn't need a cable its electronic.

 

how is ground clearence with that?

 

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Looks good...and wait till it gets warmed up before you get on it you will love it.
I got on mine the first time when it was still cold and was like what a waste then when she warmed up she came to life.....

 

Nice job.. Looks really good..

 

For a job well done man. Congrats.

 

great job guys....
get some slips up bro...

 

good job on the swap! i guess it wont be ready this weekend for the autocross huh? along with joey f., i wouldnt mind going from a dead stop with a b16ef nice job,good luck with it

 

if you unbolt the top of the VSS, there is a hole, you can put the cable in there and use it

 

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Thanks for the info man! Well try that soon....its so annoying watching that darn speedo needle jump everywhere when were driving on the highway.

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Get a late 90's GSR cluster and just wire it to the VSS and ECU so the Ecu gets the right Signal, It doesn't need a cable its electronic.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Im not too sure im getting you....To my understanding from your post, you have to wire up the WHOLE teg cluster to do this? We were actually wanting to stick with OE civic cluster just to keep it clean and uncomplicated, you know?

 

awsome work man...feels good to get an engine running after working on it forever!!!

 

OK, let me clarify..........I hope you are running a 90-91 cluster if you want to run a cable. 88-89 Clusters do not generate a VSS signal. I saw nothing in your post as to what year your car is.

Also keep in mind the stock US market guage clusters have the tack peg before you hit redline. A big tach bolted to the dash or pillar isn't clean ..........

And can be spotted by car thieves a block away.

Your choice......I like the clean look too. Thats why I went with the GSR cluster under a 90-91 instrument hood. To have a usible tach in the guage cluster. and for less than the cost of a aftermarket tach.

Getting your VSS from the speedo or the speedo sending unit is a clean and as cheap as it gets. GSR clusters can be had for less than $60 with the plugs needed. and you have a 9,500 RPM tach IN the dash and not ON it.

Just so you understand where I was coming from and my logic.

I have a '89 Hatch, B16 w/ Y-1 tranny, CAI, 4-1 JUN header, PR3 wired correctly, SiR radiator and Map sensor,Skunk2 intake and cam Gears, M20 Rocket motorsports cams, 65mm Edlebrock TB, 2.5 catback, dropped 2.5 inches with GSR hammer rims, Sir front suspension and brakes and MC, Teg GSR rear trailing arms and brakes, SiR porportioning Valve.

 

Thanks for more comments guys, ground clearance is nothing for this swap (or at least for me! ) my car sits at the normal low height as it was before with the SOHC engine in there with the Tokico's, so I don't notice any lower drop than before, but it feels like the steering wants to take control as i come to full locked turns (turns in by itself) so it would be unsafe to use one hand to turn my car (actually it's kinda unsafe to make any onehanded turns ) it may be because of the more weight up in the front, which i did notice after the swap, its harder to push my car around than before, when i just need to move my car up a little without turning on the car that is. either that, or this may be some effect of maybe a caster re-alignment when i installed my new Integra wheel assembly,but im just guessing, anything is possible...

but on my car/cluster setup, my signature says i have a 91 civic STD, but I'm running a 91 Automatic DX cluster with tach (maxes at 8) which works perfect so its good enough for now (despite the displays for automatic form and function rite! Si tach coming soon if i ever find a good deal) I mentioned nothing about using big *** tachs or pillar gauges, so I don't need lessons on what's clean and what's not, and thieves won't be breaking into my car cause i dont live in L.A. or N.Y. (just playing guys! no offense! ) I dont want to use a GSR cluster (besides, they belong in GSR's dont they?) and dont want to rewire anything just to get my speedo up and running. I'd rather use a cluster from a 91 civic (which I have right now) so now for my question, how do I get my speedcable to read without doing anymore crazy rewiring? i have the stock speedocable and its going on a S1 integra tranny, but i dont think it fits on correctly. I was thinking of getting a 90-93 integra speedo cable because maybe the end of the cable is longer than the civic's or what not, and hooking that up instead if that would do the trick, but....

thanks for the info! if this is possible to use my stock cable, I will try it out, but I'd like to hear what others think about this as well.

Also, about the two O2 sensors, I know that on the stock B16A header, it has the two O2 sensors hiding behind the 4-2 section of the exhaust manifold. Rite now, Im using a PW0 (wired correctly!), and I have one sensor on the end of my Headers, and I was going to get an O2 bung welded onto my test pipe so that i can stick the other O2 sensor on there. would this be a legit set up for correct readings? If any one can share their set ups or advice, I'd very much appreciate it alot!



Modified by K_1 at 4:08 PM 5/22/2004

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by virginia_dude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OK, let me clarify..........I hope you are running a 90-91 cluster if you want to run a cable. 88-89 Clusters do not generate a VSS signal. I saw nothing in your post as to what year your car is.

Also keep in mind the stock US market guage clusters have the tack peg before you hit redline. A big tach bolted to the dash or pillar isn't clean ..........

And can be spotted by car thieves a block away.

Your choice......I like the clean look too. Thats why I went with the GSR cluster under a 90-91 instrument hood. To have a usible tach in the guage cluster. and for less than the cost of a aftermarket tach.

Getting your VSS from the speedo or the speedo sending unit is a clean and as cheap as it gets. GSR clusters can be had for less than $60 with the plugs needed. and you have a 9,500 RPM tach IN the dash and not ON it.

</TD></TR></TABLE>

for a fellow B-series EF, since we're on the subject of the VSS, Virgina_dude&gt; I'm in process of swapping a 95 B18C1 into my 89 CRX. YS1 lsd cable tranny. So if I were to try and use the stock speedo gear drive it would not send a signal to the ecu? (obd-1 P72)

 

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for a fellow B-series EF, since we're on the subject of the VSS, Virgina_dude&gt; I'm in process of swapping a 95 B18C1 into my 89 CRX. YS1 lsd cable tranny. So if I were to try and use the stock speedo gear drive it would not send a signal to the ecu? (obd-1 P72) </TD></TR></TABLE>


heres the skinny on how that works.

ALL ecu's need a VSS signal (while in hondas). Us guys running the cable ones they work like this. Cable spins from tranny, goes to dash. Dash moves. Then at the dash it makes the signal. Then from there it goes to the ECU.

Just some clusters cant make their own signal so thast why you use the Electronic VSS.

VSS (veichle speed sensor) are in different places depending on the cluster used. Some people refer to the cable driver thing on the tranny (dont know the term) this is NOT THE VSS. The Vss on this type of setup is located at the cluster. Now if you have the newer style clusters the VSS is located on the transmission.

Easy enough

-Eric

 

looks good keep up the good work i just got my b16a into my civic hatch and finishing up on a few things hope for it to be running very soon also

 

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heres the skinny on how that works.

ALL ecu's need a VSS signal (while in hondas). Us guys running the cable ones they work like this. Cable spins from tranny, goes to dash. Dash moves. Then at the dash it makes the signal. Then from there it goes to the ECU.

Just some clusters cant make their own signal so thast why you use the Electronic VSS.

VSS (veichle speed sensor) are in different places depending on the cluster used. Some people refer to the cable driver thing on the tranny (dont know the term) this is NOT THE VSS. The Vss on this type of setup is located at the cluster. Now if you have the newer style clusters the VSS is located on the transmission.

Easy enough

-Eric</TD></TR></TABLE>

Point of note.......90-91 clusters generate the VSS signal the 88-89 do not.