I own a 88 civic and Im looking for some extra, reliable, semi-easy power. I chose to go all-motor because Ive read way too much on FI motors having heating problems and I dont want to kill gas mileage. Anyway, on to the questions...

My talon was a mid 14 second car and it was perfect for driving around town. I would like to make that kind of power with my roomy, gas mileage friendly, RELIABLE (sorry dsm guys but we all know its true) Honda. So my question for you guys is, would this be possible/feesable with a B16? I have no idea what kind of times they produce so thats why I must ask. The reason I chose a B16 is because the complete swap is fairly cheap and seems easy enough to install. Im open to other swap ideas, too. Let me know what you guys think. Thanks in advance.

 

if you get a stock b16 with no problems... and make a clean install... then yes it would be as reliable as any other stock honda engine

 

if you want to go fast and be RELIABLE on your light civic then you have just picked up the perfect honda motor for that. b16 is a good starting point, then later on when you know hondas more than you know your mother then you can start building some frankensteins.

 

What about that time Im looking for?

 

with just a few bolt ons its an easy mid 14 sec car,stock with just a full exhaust you should do high 14s no problem.

 

Really? Wow.

 

Well if this car needs a new motor soon Ill be sure to pick up a B16. I was thinking of rebuilding it with some goodies before I put it in the car. A little bit of head work, and a little bottom end work.

I dont want to go all forged internals with some crazy 9K revable top end, just something to get some more juice out of it. Any suggestions for a low budget build up?

 

Start off wit i\e\h maybe some ctr cams and a skunk2 mainfold and bored out the thottle body that would be a great starting point. once u get that get a vafc and tune it that would be a mid 14 sec car.

 

i wouldnt be suprised if it ran 14's stock, considering the lightness of the car

for complete stock reliablilty, i would leave the engine alone, maybe an intake just for fun, but leave off the exhaust as to not get branded as a ricer and have pigs pull you over for the dumbest ****

instead get a close ratio tranny and a light flywheel, that combined with an already potent engine and a light chassis, you dont need anymore

 

See this is the responces I like to see. My other thread in the EF section I had a couple rejects just trying to get their responce count up. This is a daily driver till I sell my talon and get a Galant VR4. Im going to do a compression test, give the car a tune up, and change the timing belt this weekend and then Ill go from there. If the motor is tired then Ill start shopping around for a B16. Thanks agian for the good responces.

 

like the your new signature

 

The sad thing is that it's O' so true...

 

Ive been reading alot of stuff on this board the past couple days and it seems like ITR stuff is very popular. Is ITR a model of a different Honduh or is it a brand? I searched and came up with tranny stuff.

Are ITR internals a good thing to look into if I do decide to dive into this motor?

 

b16a is a good base motor to begin with. Especially in a light civic. ITR = Integra Type-R. A lot of the b-series stuff are interchangeable so you rather than aftermarket, you can go with OEM (ex. cams, valve springs, header, etc...). You won't be disappointed with the b16a. Should be fun. Good luck on it.

 

Im looking at Heeltoeauto.com and they have ITR internals. Prices seem low but I dont really have anything to compare them to. How much more power am I looking at out of a B16 with ITR internals (pistons, rings, cams, and valve springs)? Also what is the benefit of an ITR crank pully vs the stock one? Just lighter? In doing all this it seems it might be easier/cheaper just to build this motor than actually buy the swap. Is this a cheap type-R basically?


Modified by libila at 6:54 AM 5/14/2004

 

go to acura. If your serious about getting parts hit up "BERT-O" on here and the RM forum. He can get all the OEM parts you'll need. check out a bisimoto header or something equal & you'll see 14's

 

I dont want to get too far into this motor. My main goal is to spend as little as possible and not have to get the car dyno tuned. I dont want to deal with all the complications. So from there, how far should I go to achieve these goals?

 

If I were to do an ITRed out b16 is there a chip out there I can get so I could avoid tuning? I want this car to run as good as it does stock. Thanks in advance.

 

Anyone???

 

you seem to be all over the place

you want reliability but you want to stick a fork into a socket...

tell us what you want and stay on course.

 

haha I know Im everywhere.

N/A B16 with about 170whp. I think that would be good for my daily driver.

 

reliability and the kind of power ur looking for... heres what id do:

b16, skunk2 stage1 cams, itr valvetrain (just for extra piece of mind), b&m fpr, aebs intake manifold, jdm 4-1 header, 2.5" exhaust.

get a chip'd ecu with the program of ur liking and u should be set to go.

note - u really dont need the itr valvetrain, but u might as well swap the springs/retainers as long as u have the cams out.

 

how about you just keep reading until the time comes that ou need a motor..hen go get your b16 put it in and drive it until you can afford one thing at a time like everyone else..its pointless talking about internals for a motor you dont have yet..start with the motor then get it in the car and do your routine maintence then worry about opening it up a bit to your liking..there a shitloads of parts out there just keep your eyes open and ask question if you have any pick the parts that you liek not what people tell you to buy..if you stick around long enough..youll see some parts you like and others you dont like and hat wil make your decision alot easier good luck

 

You make it sound like me asking questions is a bad thing. You say for me to look at parts, and I have. Im asking about ITR parts because Ive been reading and people have had good things to say about them. Then my next question was how deep into the motor would I have to go to get the power Im looking for. That seems like a fair enough question.

Explain to me why it would be a good idea to install and engine, then take it back out to have it rebuilt? Wouldnt it make alot more sense just to add the goodies and do the maintence at the same time? I would think so...

 

Ill have to look into chips because I havent really researched any yet.

I want opinions on the bottom end. Should I leave it stock or should I add CTR pistons like recommended to me before. I know some will say different things than other but if the B16 bottom end has bad problems I would be willing to spend the extra money for the power and piece of mind. Let me know what you think.

THIS is how I do good research, thank you.