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Holy hell.... I'm ******* tired, and cranky from being at the track all weekend and having no damn sleep. Someone PLEASE tell me that that little bitch was NOT talking **** about the H22A? Please tell me that. I would HATE to have to go over there and verbally whip lash that *** ***** ** ***** *** son of a *******.

And I just saw Honda318dx whoop some *** at Summit Point. No one can ever say that Preludes can't corner. I have pics of him passing the mad skillz yellow R yo!

And F/I is the only way? What the hell kind of imported drugs is HE smoking? He needs to get that pure Columbian **** cause this other stuff is messing with his brain.

 

He's back. LOL

Bryan

 

Actually, I cheated and came to Drews place until tomorrow morning. lol

 

That B1bcivic guy knows what he talking about, eh.

 

No one was really talking ****, they are just misinformed. I wanted to go over there and torch the whole thread, but I didn't have any ammo(except for the type R owner, but that's a useless argument.)

 

"bad thing about the h22a is it's limitations"
No **** what engine doesn't have limits on it. the b series the best man. He has obviously never been in a lude before.

H-Bomb all the way baby

 

They're just a bunch of bolt-on-boys. They don't even consider building the engine.

 

I never want to be redirected to that board agian. No one there had any LOGIC what so ever, plus there stupid signatures where full of bandwidth intensive pictures...

 

Hey guys,

Need ur take on this since ya'll have experience with lude engines. I'm going h22 in an EG soon....but I was told that h22s are delicate and can't take abuse....but an integra motor can. What do you guys think? Thanks in advance.

-Rod

 

H22a1 has a solid block unlike the B18c1, so the cylinder walls are actually stronger. As far as the rest of the internals, they're made by Honda. It is true that the B18c1 can rev higher than the H22a1, which redlines at 7,200 rpm, so maybe that's what they mean by "can't take abuse."

 

Actually, they are right. The Prelude will not gain huge ammounts of HP with simple bolt on parts, but what non-turbo car does? The most cost effective way to gain huge ammounts of HP on a Lude, or any other Sport Compact car is to either Turbocharge or use NOS. They also dont seem to believe that the Lude is very quick stock, oh well, doesnt really matter I guess. Hope they want to race when I get my Lude, especially after I have it Turbocharged.

 

only the 96 and older h22's are solid deck, the 97+ are open deck but feature a reinforced headgasket over their older counterparts. The headgaskets were redesigned to account for some of the lost structural integrity of the block in the move to an open deck block design. Also, although the h22 is not blessed w/ the greatest rod ratio, it still revs freely and w/ a lightened flywheel revs and drives more like a b16. Nonetheless, some roller rocker outfitted h22's spin b/w 10-12 rpm, but have more than likely been destroked to 2.0 liters, much like the Toda/Mugen built F3 motors, to improve rod stroke ratio, and increase survial at prolonged high-rpm operation. Also, the roller rocker idea is not for the street, period. This setup will not idle below 5k rpm, so you can't exactly drive it in mid-day traffic.

The Prelude is heavy, and thats 1 of its major downpoints, however, it has very responsive steering, a suberb wheelbase length, neutral handling feel, excellent audio system, etc..

Also, whoever said that the h22's have horrible gearing is obviously totally ignorant; in actuallity the h22's gearing is very comprable to the ITR's, its just that ITR benefits from a much shorter final drive!

5th gen Prelude:
1st 3.230
2nd 2.105
3rd 1.458
4th 1.107
5th 0.848
Final Drive 4.266


ITR:
1st 3.31
2nd 1.86
3rd 1.32
4th 1.03
5th .81
Final Drive 4.40

Point is the Prelude is a very potent car, however, if I have to, since so many have to relate the Prelude to the ITR, my best comparison would be to say that the Prelude is like the 550 Maranello, a GT car, classy, luxurious, potent, and comfortable [excpet the back seats], and the ITR is much like the 360 Modena, and I doubt many ITR owners will complain about this relation. Also, the Prelude, initially is not a drag car, it just isn't, you can make it a drag car, but you can also stuff a Northstar V8 into a Fiero if you want, follow? The Prelude is a handling car, its just isn't blessed w/ the go fast amenaties from the factory that the ITR is, equipped w/ an LSD, lighthened flywheel, and a slight diet, does wonders! Regardless, let's stop relating ITR's and Preludes, etc...its irrelavent people buy what they like, just let it be.
They are two different cars, period, both good, but tailored to different drivers and needs!


[Modified by bb6h22a, 5:17 PM 11/6/2001]


[Modified by bb6h22a, 5:34 PM 11/6/2001]

 

comparing the Prelude and ITR is like comparing apples and oranges. You can't just do that.

 

Yes please do so....

 

I'll elaborate for him.

"I'm wrong guys, sorry"

Hey all, I'm new here. 1994 4th gen LUDE VTEC w/ some JDM goodies (LSD tranny in the mail) glad to find a board with some serious tech discussion.

 

Can't make a Prelude a Drag car... I beg to differ.

Damnit... that's the whole purpose I built mine was because people said I couldn't. Well, click my link. If I had ever bothered to finish tuning and had the shops done exactly as I had asked instead of coming up with something on their own, I think with a little tuning and dyno time, low low 13s on slicks, and even some high 12's with a little diet was possible. My problem was I drove it too much for what I had done.

 

The problem you have with the people in the afformentioned thread is that they are 'teg hedz. 'teg hedz are beyond reason or rational argument. The B is the B-all and end-all of engines. You will never convince them otherwise by mere words. Things like displacement, tuning, modification, mean nothing to these people. They can't hear it; the are too busy talking about 9.5K on a street motor. You will always get these rather pathetic things like "well stock for stock the ITR will..." or "given equal drivers the ITR will..." The capper is that most of them will make the same arguments about GS-Rs vs any other Honda. News flash - almost no one leaves their car stock, and last time I checked, cars aren't raced by robot drivers; they're raced by us, and we ain't all equal.

Unfortunately 'teg hedz, by and large are even beyond physical demonstration. Beat their Hype-Rs/GS-Rs and watch the excuses start pouring forth... Still that's about all you can do - keep beating them and then point and laugh at them when they start babbling about why they lost...

Paul

 

I love this guy... really. Paul, you rule.

 

 

hey JG Luder, have u checked the board i linked up there. You car is being brought up.

 

You are 1000% right, all they think about is how b-series rules and no other car can compare

 

I was trying to avoid signing up and flaming folks, but I just have this sneaking suspicion I'm going to be brought into all this anyways. Oh well... might as well sign up now and then be ready for the inevitable.

Thanks for the heads up.

 

They should be bringing up Warren's old car - It spent much more time moving under it's own power than Todd's...

Ouch! Did I say that?

Paul




[Modified by tec-9-7, 3:51 PM 11/7/2001]

 

Very true though. Warrens was an honest to God street car. Straight up. And he didn't have as much done as me! lol That's the bitch of it all.

Wish he didnt delete his setup though.