Is it possible for a modified GS-R to beat a fairly stock E36 M3 (Say a 1997 M3) without force induction.? If so what will the GS-R need to at least be dead even (if it is not possible to beat it).

 

its not impossible, it will just cost a **** load of money. You'll need to make the car wiegh next to nothing. Its not worth it..Go FI.

 

You're looking at 7k-10k for a full N/A buildup.

 

that year m3 runs 14.0 in 1/4 so its not that hard to beat in a straight line.

 

i have seen it however this gsr had gutted interior and serious n/a mods this gsr was wicked

 

Drag race or AutoX? There is an Escort Pony that can beat NSX's, Porsche's and pretty much anything else in an AutoX. The Escort Driver is EXCELENT and the other drivers are just out with their toys. A good driver in the GSR and a bad one in the M3 at an autocross........my money would be on the GSR.

 

Well considering that the ITR puts out 195, has better gearing, a lighter weight and pulls mid 14's, even if you match the hp of the ITR, you will still be slower due to the weight and gearing. Figure in at least another 30 to maybe 40 hp to match the M3. The S2k is about the same speed as the M3 and it outputs 240.

To get an additional 70 hp out of the b18c1 is going to require lots of money, since you will have to start getting into headwork, cams (and then springs and valves) new pistons to up the compression and blah, blah, blah...

 

My car with Toda Spec B can hang with one, but not smoke it.

 

Remember the luxury edition M3 was a little slower...
Can it happen, my old 1995 GS-R did a few times.

Jason

 

Talk to Tony the Tiger...judging by his video, his all motor GS-R is in the low 13's. I'm sure it'll cost you a grip. You better start whoring yourself off so you can afford it.

 

I know that on an AutoX the driver will make a big difference. I have seen ITR bean M3, vipers and 911 turbos at the AutoX. What I am talking about is when you see one at a stoplight or at the highway, not necasarily a drag race either.

 

A bud of mine has a 95 with none of the luxeries that most M3's have(sunroof etc...)thus making it the lightest m3 excluding the lightweight model.I have a 00 ITR with intake,header and test-pipe(my time is below)When we raced and he was stock it was DEAD EVEN.Once I got into 5th gear he would pull away.Now he has a new intake on it,which gave it 18hp at the wheels and 16lb of torque,he has little trouble pulling away up top.They are pretty quick cars and I wouldn't take them lightly.

 

Damn,

I know that M3 are fast and thought that not even a Type R will have a chance against an M3. This is not the first time that I hear that a Type R will hang with an M3 but I find it hard to believe. I have not run with a Type R before (there are not many aound) so I do not have the facts just an educated opinion. Will a Civic Si Tranny help the GS-R acceleration? Is it worth to get one?

 

Bah our m3's sucked until lately 240hp while everywhere else had the 333 hp ones. At least now we got the badass m3 too.

 

Dude, have you ever driven an E30, or E36 M3? Even the US version are far from being sucky. I'm defnitely stoked about us getting the euro motors now, though. I've driven quite a few E36 m3's and my old boss bought an M-Coupe right when it came out and that thing is sick and now it comes with a motor w/more hp...geez... too bad I don't have the $ for an M car.

 

if you built the motor right, you would have NO problems.......but then again, for that type of money and it's poor reliabilty, you might as well go turbo.

 

The new m3 is a lot heavier though.The BMW to get is the new Mcoupe which a friend has.It has the same engine as the e46 M3(s54)but is around 500 pounds lighter.He ran a 13.0@109 completely stock.

 

no way, n/a is much more reliable than turbo if it's tuned correctly. but another thing, i dont think m3 was designed for drag racing at all , just like the itr. they're more road racing style cars, right?

 

i disagree.... a built na motor and a built turbo motor will both have problems... and a built na motor isnt just boltons... im talking about hi-comp pistons, headwork, extreme cams, maybe some tranny work, so in the end its not all that reliable and to add to it ur revving it to all high hell anyway...

as for the m cars... yea they are quick but they aren't fast... they handle great and are nice cars... but they arent that fast... iv driven an e36 m3 as well as the new m-coupe... granted they are nice cars and are quick off the showrrom floor u still cant going around calling them fast

 

sutrusu - you sir are smoking way tooo much crack. please put the pipe(dream) down. if you knew anything about big power all motor cars you would never make a statement like that.


ek9t - i agree 100%


[Modified by jinxproof99, 8:54 PM 11/4/2001]

 

I think, even thouhg you said you didn't waNT to, do a small forced induction setup, maybe around 5-8 psi. I don't think you would have any problem beating a m3, and it wouldn't cost as much a building a A/M monster.

 

For some reason when people say "built na"the is a misunderstanding.Obviously to a point, a somewhat built na set up would be really reliable,given the cams weren't too drastic and the redline wasn't aproaching F1 speeds.A seriously built na motor, I am sure, can be a hassle.Jeff from Import review had a daily driver 11sec na civic that was making 230 something at the wheels.If I remember correctly he said that he had to do a valve adjustment 2 times a week.That is rediculous.

 

exactly.

 

Dude...low 13 second straight 6 is NOT fast? Whatever ganja you're smoking, send some of that nugs to Memphis because all we have is shake. Dude, that car is friggin fast and their are rumors that it is getting the M Series 4.0l V8 in a few years as well as the M-Coupe getting the current M3 motor this coming year in a car that weighs considerably lighter. Like said previously, these cars are made to road race, not to drag race, but they are still FAST. (Ultimate Driving Machine doesn't translate to Ultimate Drag Racing Machine)

Simply put - their is not much you can do to an M3 motor if you plan to go NA because BMW has already built it to a very high all motor standard that is streetable. Now, if you want to take a E36 motor and put it into an E30, it has been done and it will roll, but BMW's are definitely NOT made to drag. Don't disgrace an M-Car by making it a drag car.

 

you might be able to match the M3 in straight line speed...but to match it in its handling, its feel, its looks, its speed and the overall car...well, that'd be damned near impossible with an integra...the M3 chassis is like 10 times better than a DC2 chassis and that car drives so much nicer than any integra...it also doesnt have weird *** rattles and squeeks like integras do.....could a modified GSR match a stock M3? NO. In straight line speed...easily, but who cares? Thats now what the M3 was made for, if it was I'm sure BMW would've gotten that part correct too.