I'm doing a poor mans type R have anyone experience this? I'm going with Itr pistons. with a b16 head and a gsr block.. Have anyone has experience? please share..

 

It's as straightforward as it gets. There's nothing else to know.

 

Just swap the head and go...its pretty straight forward bro.

I know a guy with the same set up. 191 to the wheels.

 

I have the ITR bottom end with my Si head in my Si...its a lot faster
now...go to Clubsi.com and check the all motor forum and there is a writeup of a lot of the little **** that you might need

Dave

 

i got that setup and its a very strong set up
just build it right and dont get cheap on parts im me if have questions

 

sweet!!!

 

yeah the buddha knows his shet and he sold me a poor mans that shets pulls
he made my shet quick

 

yeah runing the same here, what kind of cams are you going to run. A set of skunk 2's , Toda, or Jun's will make some good power with that compression.

 

ctr cams

 

Good cam to start off with , do you plan on upgrading later on?

 

Why do people sacrifice the GSR head for a SI head?? Doesn't it just lower compression??

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by evan2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes but it out flows it by a bit, its like a itr head minus the mild port n polish
hence the name poor mans itr
you lose the comp but most throw in some oversized jdm ctr slugs and that rasises it

i got a poormans set up 12.15:1 comp..</TD></TR></TABLE>

A b16 head flows a little better than a gs-r in the mid, but a gs-r flows better up top. Plus with gs-r head u get .3 more compression. If you have a gs-r head there is not reason to ditch it for a b16.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by evan2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I thought it was the other way around
gsr flows better down low and a lil in the mid
b16 gets it up top and most of mid range

plus b16 head is better to rev higher

something with rs values

plus with a port job you can get the lost comp back.. b16 head is closer to itr head then a gsr too</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes i think he was wrong. I also heard from many people and from people w/ experience swaping, that GSR is better low end.

I would prefer whatever product brings some low end on a honda.

and..Compression would still stick to high w/ b16 head and CTR pistons...12.5???

- Port and polish on a head yields higher compression?? I never heard this before.

 

i beat a poor mans type R in my gsr hatch.. it was in a hatch as well. all i have is a b16 tranny that would help me beat it... i dunno maybe he was just a crap driver...

 

Would Type R pistons fit right on to a stock b16 rod? Or will custom work have to be done?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by baby99si &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Would Type R pistons fit right on to a stock b16 rod? Or will custom work have to be done?</TD></TR></TABLE>

1mm would need to be shaved off of each side of the small end of the rod.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EGhybridhatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i beat a poor mans type R in my gsr hatch.. it was in a hatch as well. all i have is a b16 tranny that would help me beat it... i dunno maybe he was just a crap driver...</TD></TR></TABLE>

It must be that killer low end especially with that tranny. Thats why i prefer it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by evan2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I thought it was the other way around
gsr flows better down low and a lil in the mid
b16 gets it up top and most of mid range

plus b16 head is better to rev higher

something with rs values

plus with a port job you can get the lost comp back.. b16 head is closer to itr head then a gsr too</TD></TR></TABLE>

Half or none of you know what your talking about. I will stop it at that. There was a flow test done on both of these heads. When I find it I will post it for all you incorrect people.

And when did p&p raise compression. heading raises compression. Why ruin a perfectly good head by milling it.

The head is not what makes the b16 better to rev. It is the block. The better rs ratio the b16 block has helps it rev smoother and quicker. To rev higher you need to upgrade the valvetrain.

And to the person that said gs-r bottom and b16 head with ctr pistons give's you 12.5:1 comp . It will give you 12.0:1 comp. With a gs-r head it will give you 12.3:1. Get your info straigt.


Modified by FastAssEG at 11:09 PM 5/13/2004

 

i think people do a poor mans setup cause they are bore with their motor, omg the flow comparison between the gsr and b16 is so small that you have to be crazy to spend all the money on labor,machine shop,headgasket,other misc stuff, to basically have the same flow minus less low end,mid range. that money could have been already spent to get some ctr cams,or port and polish the head.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FastAssEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Half or none of you know what your talking about. I will stop it at that. There was a flow test done on both of these heads. When I find it I will post it for all you incorrect people.</TD></TR></TABLE>

About the flow test...I would really like to see some proof. Because i heard different from many people, so i'll be waiting till you post up.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And when did p&p raise compression. heading raises compression. Why ruin a perfectly good head by milling it</TD></TR></TABLE>

I asked this same thing, he was probably wrong/mistaken

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The head is the bette to rev high. It is the block. The better rs ratio the b16 block has helps it rev smoother and quicker.</TD></TR></TABLE>

What?????????? All i understood was that last sentance.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And to the person that said gs-r bottom and b16 head with ctr pistons give's you 12.5:1 comp . It will give you 12.0:1 comp. With a gs-r head it will give you 12.3:1. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I think this discussion could bring up some debate. Their was countless threads about what compression with what setup. Is their a specific formula to calculate it? Everybody seems to be unstable on this subject.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Get your info straigt.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Damn chill out, not everybody here knows it all.

 

only way is see 12:5:1 comp is if you use a 2 layer headgasket and cut the head about .10. but a gsr block with b16b oversize pistons and b16 head would otherwise yield around a 11:9:1 comp

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDMCRXDelSol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
What?????????? All i understood was that last sentance.
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I corrected and put what I meant to say.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by evan2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow great way to a be an *******.. maybe help teach instead of just bitching

heres the pic and it shows your a moron.. b16 out flows it up top, gsr has it down low

http://www.alaniztechnologies.....html
^^ its down right now though

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The gs-r got it down low then the b16 got it but then the gs-r comes back and evens out then flows slightly higher @ the end. So how am I a moron were the gs-r head @ the end flows higher. F~@king retard.

 

Who gives a ****, the flow advantages/disadvantages are so small as to be unimportant. Wow, a whole 2CFM. Hell that could be accounted for in production tolerances.

 

You wont notice the differance in flow between a GSR or a B16 head.