i have a 91 crx sI with a swap b16a1. also vibrant headers 00 civic si intake manifold ported and polished. cold air intake , apexi world sport exauhst, mugen cooling system (thermostat, thermo switch, radiator cap ect) mugen head gasket walboro (250) fuel pump and msd ignition. along with 00 si rims on 205 15 bf goodrich KD. oh yeah and good old trusty apexi v-tech control. well my point is a ran a eg hatch with j spec gsr n-1 exauhst ane intake . the out come was horrible i lost by almost 2 cars. im getting ready to say the f with it and get a B18c swap what do you guys think ? should i stick the the 16 or go for the big gun 18? any suggestions ? please help.... magik one out.......

 

Im keepin the 1.6 for a while, until my LS is done at least. If you stay all motor get a 1.8

 

its a sad fact when this sort of thing happens. here you are happy with a 91 mint crx with 4 wheel disc brakes, j spec seats and new Si rims, then you think to yourself i want to be at the top of the game, and so you get the imfamous B16 straight from the land of the rising sun, japan, and so you mod it with a vtec controller here, vibrant header there, a little mugen this, an intake that. now your happy as hell, reving up to every body, wanting to race everything out there from s2000 and mustang gt. and so you beat several cars, a stock wrx, eclipse gs-t's, integras left and right. and then it happens, you cruise by the local chilling spot and this 17 year old kid calls you out, you see his car a nice little 92 civic, and you think to yourself yeah i'll smoke it, so you tell the kid yeah sure why not (thinking to yourself maybe you shoulnt embaris the kid to much and let off at the end) so bam you line up, hands go down, your launch is the **** cuz you got your BG KD tires, you shift into second and its pulling nice and hard while your saying to yourself you love the topend your 4-1 jspec header gives you. you seee the finish line, and thinking hell yeah i win a again but at the same time you see the eg, and your eyes open up while screaming what the f@#k, NOOOO!!!!!! VTEC!!!!! come back.......... . so you lose by two cars, then the kid pops open his hood, and there it lies in all its glory a J D fukn M B18C motor. you soon realize that this young bastard dished out 3G's more than you so he can whop on srt-4's, camaro's, and B16 crx's. while your thinking that, he's saying to himself "man i should have let off some more".......

so to answer your question YES a b16 does not cut it anymore but only if its mildly stock, bro put some nice cams i sugest SKUNK 2 S2 cams, ctr pitons, and some hondata tunning. and with this go out there and get your pride back.

remember everything can be improved upon, a little more mods and you'll beat that eg with out a fact, just hope you do it before he does.

p.s from what you got in your car, i really like it a lot. hope you keep winning.

 

Why dont you stick with the b16, work on the top end and bottom. Why dont you stroke it to a 1.8, same thing as the b18c.

 

well if you havent had any head work done i suggest doing that if you do stick with the b16, port and polish with a upgraded valvetrain and some stage 2 cams with the right exhaust, youll feel a difference. I say see what the b16 can do before you swap to a b18.

 

good point bro. i got some stge two SKUNK 2 cams cam gears and springs with ctr pistons getting ready to put in i just am a little short on funds right now. i plan to get the head ported and polished along with now honda bearings all over and shop pined rods as soon as the wife lets me blow another 2 gs on my car. but believe me i will be back with some good news and hopefully some great time slips accompanied with some great stories of me vs corvette hahaha

 

turbo the thing.

-Eric

 

look into tech 43 ls stroker piston kit. thats what i am getting. use ls crank and rods in a b16 block. kinda like ls/vtec. but its in a shorter block .it will be a sleeper. no one will no. compression ratio is like 11.5.to 1 i think.

 

i say b16 all the way


shhhhhhh


BOOst

 

have you tuned your car yet? because, i call poor set up. first off, a 255lph fuel pump is madness. a stock b16/b18c/c5 pump would be sufficient. i'm sure you are running as rich as a bowl of texan chili. which Vibrant header are you using? if its the 4-1, try to get the 4-2-1 j spec instead. it has a wider powerband. next, have you lightened your flywheel or bought an aftermarket one? if not, to me, that's the equalizer right there. it is paramount that you acquire the lightest flywheel you can for the torqueless wonder. next, get rid of the cai and get a sri. honestly, with a set of CTR's cams, good tuning, 7lbs flywheel,sri and the tables will turn. to be honest, a b16 crx with the current mods that you have, i figured, would have won the race. maybe its your lack of experience. remember, one bad launch and its over. a couple of weeks ago, an 89' crx ran 14.2's-13.9's on streets up here w/only I/E. good luck.

 

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here it is....

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=815614

 

yeah keep the B16...i got an EK w/'00 B16 stock and i can take ef's, and eg's w/b16's and b18's ...if you tune your motor you should notice a big difference...i was really surprised when i raced for the first time last week...but, GET IT TUNED

 

How'd you get an Apex'i World Sport for your car, I've really wanted one because I'm getting really fed up w/ my exhaust noise and I've heard its a lot quieter, but I haven't seen it for the CRX. Is yours just the muffler or is it cat-back?

BTW, my B16 goes in my 88 Si, I feel like a real douche now thanks, j/k, the B16 is still a bad *** motor, I'd say build it a little and see what you think, maybe focus on the head that way if you decide to you can build a B18 block on the side and then toss it underneith that head for a poor mans ITR, thats my plan for now

 

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eg with the same motor as u will beat u cuz its lighter unless he's a bad driver

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by magikone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have a 91 crx sI with a swap b16a1. also vibrant headers 00 civic si intake manifold ported and polished. cold air intake , apexi world sport exauhst, mugen cooling system (thermostat, thermo switch, radiator cap ect) mugen head gasket walboro (250) fuel pump and msd ignition. along with 00 si rims on 205 15 bf goodrich KD. oh yeah and good old trusty apexi v-tech control. well my point is a ran a eg hatch with j spec gsr n-1 exauhst ane intake . the out come was horrible i lost by almost 2 cars. im getting ready to say the f with it and get a B18c swap what do you guys think ? should i stick the the 16 or go for the big gun 18? any suggestions ? please help.... magik one out....... </TD></TR></TABLE>

So basically you have a b16 with I/H/E. You have to put some mods on the b16 to keep up with the b18c.

Two things that are relatively weak on a first gen b16 are the cams and the intake manifold, with that said, first thing I would do is get a skunk 2 intake manifold, porting the stock manifold is not proven power. Your cooling system isn't money well spent and it is not doing anything for your HP #'s.

Get some cams!! The stock b16 cams are weak, at least get CTR cams, if you can swing it get skunk 2 stage 2 cams. Get it tuned also!!! You will see a different result with the mods I listed.

Give the b16 a chance, you need to put some mods in the right place to see HP gains.

 

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you are joking, right. the 2nd gen p30 intake makes more power than the itr & s2 from 2000rpm-8200rpm (4-5whp & 2-3wtq for some 6000rpm) all day and night. the 1st gen intake isn't as good, but, with porting and slight mods it makes good power too. don't get it twisted. if you don't know what you are talking about, don't say anything. for b16 owners and people keeping there revs below 8500rpm, the p30 rules.

 

All you have are Bolt Ons. Why don't you do some internal work?? Some b16s reach 180-190 with good internals/tunning, but if you want that extra torque the 1.8 would help i guess.

 

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you are joking, right. the 2nd gen p30 intake makes more power than the itr & s2 from 2000rpm-8200rpm (4-5whp & 2-3wtq for some 6000rpm) all day and night. the 1st gen intake isn't as good, but, with porting and slight mods it makes good power too. don't get it twisted. if you don't know what you are talking about, don't say anything. for b16 owners and people keeping there revs below 8500rpm, the p30 rules.

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I didn't say it doesn't make power, I said its not proven power like the AEBS or skunk 2, if you don't do it right.


If you don't have reading comprehension don't post.

 

I say stay with the b16, get head work done and stroke it to hell. . Another route is bulding internals, getting head work, fuel managment and turboing the bad boy. But IMO, you should work with what you've got, don't worry about swapping a c1 into your rex.

 

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Whats the point in keeping it just to stroke it, other then faking people out because they see b16 on the block, it makes just as much sense as getting the b18 or at least a b18 bottom end. I'm not trying to dis your suggestion but I'm just curious to your motive

 

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Whats the point in keeping it just to stroke it, other then faking people out because they see b16 on the block, it makes just as much sense as getting the b18 or at least a b18 bottom end. I'm not trying to dis your suggestion but I'm just curious to your motive</TD></TR></TABLE>

The reason for keeping the b16 is not to fake anyone out if you have a stroker kit. duh. The reason you keep it is that its the same damn thing. The b16 is the b18 but stroked. Why get rid of it when you can work on your b16 untill your happy. You dont stroke it to trick people. You stroke it for more displacement and greater power. Yes you could stroke the b18 to a 2.0 but you could also stroke the b16 to a 2.0. I guess its all what you like. B18c is a good motor, its the price that most people are concern with. If you already have a b16, then moddify it. You will be suprised how much faster it is after working on the top end and getting new 12.1:1 comp pistons and P&P it. Does a world of difference.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civic_hatchback &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The reason for keeping the b16 is not to fake anyone out if you have a stroker kit. duh. The reason you keep it is that its the same damn thing. The b16 is the b18 but stroked. Why get rid of it when you can work on your b16 untill your happy. You dont stroke it to trick people. You stroke it for more displacement and greater power. Yes you could stroke the b18 to a 2.0 but you could also stroke the b16 to a 2.0. I guess its all what you like. B18c is a good motor, its the price that most people are concern with. If you already have a b16, then moddify it. You will be suprised how much faster it is after working on the top end and getting new 12.1:1 comp pistons and P&P it. Does a world of difference. </TD></TR></TABLE>

It's the same thing as a b18 though, so basically all you're telling magikone is to get a b18, and I would venture so far as to say that most stroker kits are going to cost more then it would cost for a b18c1 bottom end, TECH43's LS based stroker kit might be the way to go but other then that I think it would be cheaper to buy the bottom end, but again I think the idea behind keeping the b16 is just as much to prove what can be done w/ a 1.6 liter rather then upping the displacement. Check out omniman's 200 hp b16 build and then tell me I need to up my displacement to make serious power.

 

Why does everyone want the b18c1 instead of the b18C. You do get that extra 10 horses with the C over the C1.

 

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By b18c I'm assuming you mean the b18c5, and to answer your question it comes down to cost, not as many people have the extra grand or two needed to purchase a B18c5 over the c1. I gather from your sig that you have a prizm but from your sn I'd say you'd prob rather have a civic hatch w/ an ITR motor, but why don't you have it, my guess would be that you're prob in high school like me or fresh out of high school and you don't have the money to throw down for all that.

 

Im talking about the b18C not C5. The 180 hp B18c, the C1 comes with 170hp. The C is the jdm version of the usdm C1.