Hi All.

This is my first posting here. My name is Johnny and I own a 5g SH. I recently took my car to Summit Point Raceway (WA) in their FAATT event and it was a lot of fun (also learned quit a bit about the car.) My car is stock and I like how it drives. However, the brakes could use some improvement for the track and I am trying to find out what I can do to make them improve on the track yet still good for everyday (commuting) city traffic. Someone suggested that I should change the brake fluid to the high performance kind (ATE Super Blue) and upgrade the pads to Carbotech Panther. I was doing research on the web and there seem to be some mixed reviews on them. I want to know if anyone had any experience in them or is there a better option? Also is there anything else I can do to improve the car's braking performance?

Thanks,

-Johnny

 

Brembo, Wilwood, AEM. Can the NSX brake upgrade be used on a 5G?

 

The factory calipers and rotors are fine. I would suggest Porterfield R4S brake pads and Goodridge stainless steel brake lines. That combined with Motul 600 brake fluid and you will have a very nice setup.

 

The factory calipers and rotors are fine. I would suggest Porterfield R4S brake pads and Goodridge stainless steel brake lines. That combined with Motul 600 brake fluid and you will have a very nice setup.

Where can I get these?
Mike

 

So you were the one in the SH!!! Sorry I didnt' introduce myself, I was the one driving the 4th gen w/ the rollcage in group two...

Prelude brakes are right up my alley.. The carbotechs panther plus pads are GREAT pads for mainly track/some street use.. I have run them, an I am quite impressed with them, for being track and street pads... They only faded when pushed to the max with R compound tires...

I run hawk blues now, simply because I need a full race pad now, I love them, but the cannot be daily driven.. I also use ATE superblue as well, and highly recomend it..

Hope to see you at the track again
Corey

 

R4S is a great compermise pad, but it doesn't stop as well once heated up to full track use as the carbotechs.. And yes, I have used both.. I run Goodridge lines as well and they help a lot.. The motul is great fluid, but if you use motul and then go to a different fluid, you will need to replace the mastercylinder.. The seals seem to react different with the motul, and the master cylinder will leak/loose pressure if a different fluid is used afterward..

 

Great!

Next time I see you in the track I will definitely hook up with you. I probably will go back again early next season with some of my buddies. I will probably get some new Khumos and hopefully will get much more fun out of the track and the car

-Johnny

 

Prelude brakes are right up my alley.. The carbotechs panther plus pads are GREAT pads for mainly track/some street use.. I have run them, an I am quite impressed with them, for being track and street pads... They only faded when pushed to the max with R compound tires...

Corey[/QUOTE]

So what if my main use is "Mainly street, occassional track?" Will the Panther Plus do well under that circumstances?

Thanks,

-Johnny

 

Well, in that case, I would do this.. Use a pure street pad for the street, and then a day or two before your track event, change to the carbotechs.. Then take them off when you get home.. With the carbotechs, you don't have to worry about changing pads at the track like you do w/ most track/race pads... Also, you can use them full time on the street, I and many other friends have.. they wear a little fast though on the street, and that gets costy at 125$ a pad..

 

I ditto what Corey has said...accurate description.

Yes, the P+ can be used on the street with excellent results, but they will wear perhaps 15% faster when driven cold on the street than when driven hot on the track. Other than that...no problems. As for squeal, you can use an anti-squeal compound to aleviate any noise you experience under low line pressure or when cold.

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Regards,

Andie Lin

 

..there are a few different ways to go:

Cheap:
ss brakelines [a great deal of the compliance in the brake system is in the lines]
ITR brake pads in the front
stock pads in the rear
brake fluid flush
also, if your in a real pinch and want some cheap brake fluid, Ford DOT 5 is nice, but highly corrosive, so if you use it, flush the fluid at the track, then replace it w/ OEM Honda fluid when you get home, this is where Russel speed bleeders come in handy.

Moderate:
Porterfield R4s pads
ss brakelines
motul brakefluid
Cryo treated Slotted Rotors?
nsx calipers

A little more dough:
2-piece Aluminum hat slotted rotors up front from Fastbrakes, just order the ITR rotors, same as bb6 (front only) [mostly for weight reduction]
two sets of pads: r4s for the street/r4 for the track or hawk blues
motul fluid
cryo rotors also slotted out back
spoon 4-pot calipers up front

Also, you need to remember that the brakes do not actually stop the car, the tires do, so all the pretty brake upgrades in the world only improve pedal feel, consitency and heat dissipation, so first order of business, if you haven't already, would be to get some new/better tires! Falken Azenis in 215*45*16 come to mind, since they fit the OEM SH wheel, provide good grip, and are realativly thrifty.
Hope that helps...

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[Modified by bb6h22a, 3:48 PM 11/6/2001]

 

I would advise AGAINST R4S pads.. Brand new set was Done in 6 somewhat light sessions of track driving... I have used them all, and still say just go w/ carbotech panther plus.. hella cheaper than R4 pads and the brake dust will not chorode your paint..

SS lines are a plus.. Ford HD is great fluid, no need to mess with the Dot 5 stuff..

 

..I wouldn't say that the R4s is a track suited pad, more for spirited street driving.
I haven't used the Carbotech pads so, I cannot comment, and yes the Ford HD fluid is good stuff too.

 

That is what the guy wants though, is a pad that will work on the track as well.. =~)