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Old Apr 27, 2004 | 08:33 AM
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Default King Motorsports Mugen EP3 Civic Si at the Dyno!

Only did a couple of runs at our last dyno day in Chicago.
DC5R Powerplat
Mugen Intake
Mugen Exhaust
Mugen ECU

193whp 145wtq


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Old Apr 27, 2004 | 08:42 AM
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Looks good, But I am suprised it didn't go over 200whp.....

Can you enlighten why. Most K20A2s can be above that.

Just curious, I would drive that EP3 any day.
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Old Apr 27, 2004 | 08:44 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GreenBean &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks good, But I am suprised it didn't go over 200whp.....

Can you enlighten why. Most K20A2s can be above that.

Just curious, I would drive that EP3 any day. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Maybe lack of exhaust manifold and/or tuning.? i dunno just a guess. i think kingmotorsports knows what they are doin atleast i hope they do lol
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Old Apr 27, 2004 | 08:54 AM
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Yea, I will give all my props to King Motorsports,

I have seen an EP3, with a K20 ITR swap in it lay down over 225whp with an AEM CAI, Comptech race header, and SKUNK2 cat back piping, and a Hondata reflash.....Thats all.....

I'll bet theirs is nasty/fun to drive
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Old Apr 27, 2004 | 09:55 AM
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IIRC, they put this car together with the thought of "let's only use Mugen/JDM parts" and not so much of "let's get the parts for the most power".

This car was the source of ridicule on some other boards b/c it's so expensive (to duplicate), but really not all that fast (in a straight line).
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Old Apr 27, 2004 | 10:09 AM
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who needs to fast in a straight line

then again, with that mcdonald's suspension setup...i think it'll fair better on a straight.

btw, numbers aren't that impressive
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Old Apr 27, 2004 | 10:58 AM
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Glad to hear there are plenty of K20's out there making over 200whp. We were expecting between 190 and 200.

It is very difficult to compare numbers across different dynos, on different days, with very different sets of variables.

We were very happy with the results. Take a look at the A/F ratio - the Mugen ECU does a great job of keeping it consistent throughout the powerband. They've engineered it to be safe, not on the edge for maximum peak dyno bench racing.

The only thing I might change would be VTEC engagement, perhaps making it a little smoother. However getting kicked in the pants with 145ft/lbs of torque right after VTEC engagement is pretty fun and will put a smile on anyone's face.

At any rate, just trying to keep it technical.
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Old Apr 27, 2004 | 11:06 AM
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It looks good mang!

Its good to see a vehicle tuned with the Manufacturers parts only. I know anybody can make a Mustang thats fater than a Ferrari in a straight line and (cheaper) but I always appreciate the finer automobiles.

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Old Apr 27, 2004 | 01:21 PM
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cleanest. EP3. evar.
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Old Apr 27, 2004 | 02:16 PM
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Those numbers make me want to stay far away from the "Mugen/King Motorsports" performance products. Honestly, I think those are pathetic numbers for that engine with I/E/reflash.
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Old Apr 27, 2004 | 04:26 PM
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To each thier own bro. Mugen is a good company and thier products are well made. But most would rather get more power for the cash they pay for the mugen parts. Mugen is a good set up for a well balanced car since mugen does all the work for you. If you want to go a step further you could always get the hondata kpro ecu and tune the car yourself, along with a Tein suspension and internals such as toda or hytech and produce more numbers. But like I said to each his/her own.


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Old Apr 27, 2004 | 04:26 PM
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Thanks for posting the results Clayton!

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Old Apr 27, 2004 | 04:32 PM
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i love that car!
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Old Apr 27, 2004 | 04:35 PM
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me too, nice lookin piece
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Old Apr 27, 2004 | 08:55 PM
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Clayton! Are we getting any closer to US Spec products for the EP?
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Old Apr 28, 2004 | 12:22 AM
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I know the Mugen lip for the USDM bumper is expected to be released summer time.

Nice A/F ratio btw Clayton
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Old Apr 28, 2004 | 05:41 AM
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It is very difficult to compare numbers across different dynos, on different days, with very different sets of variables.


Yep, peak dyno numbers are for bench ricers
***** the haters

good info, keep it coming

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Old Apr 28, 2004 | 05:47 AM
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Its ok but, I would expect alittle more for around $3050 in 3 Mugen parts.
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Old Apr 28, 2004 | 06:56 AM
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Looks good, power curve looks great, and as you mentioned, it's a/f is just about perfect throughout. And the parts are engineered to be of oem quality
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Old Apr 28, 2004 | 09:03 AM
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I really love the Mugen rear wing... and the wip is black like mine......
Mugen ECU is safe for engine, but there
is a lot more horsey power in the k20a.....

Very clean!
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Old Apr 28, 2004 | 09:19 AM
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My thoughts exactly GreenR....I say booo!

The only thing I would buy in mugen is the DC5 motor mounts.......and that's because no one else makes them.

Ditch that ECU, everyone knows that the K-pro owns it.
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Old Apr 28, 2004 | 10:37 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by eddie123 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My thoughts exactly GreenR....I say booo!

The only thing I would buy in mugen is the DC5 motor mounts.......and that's because no one else makes them.

Ditch that ECU, everyone knows that the K-pro owns it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

We've got the K-Pro as well....

http://www.kingmotorsports.com...t=277
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Old Apr 29, 2004 | 06:10 AM
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We've got the K-Pro as well....

http://www.kingmotorsports.com...t=277</TD></TR></TABLE>

Try it out and see how it compare to the Mugen ECU.
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Old Apr 29, 2004 | 10:06 AM
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Has king ever done any comparisons between their mugen pieces and other companies?

Im guessing not since it would be bad business, but im still curious.

Im only asking because both the articles ive read about the King/mugen s2000's (the 2.0 and 2.2) have showed that they dont make anymore power than stock.

again this can simply be because of the different days, or of honda bringing ringers, which was stated in the article.

Ok, i guess a better question is, did you guys get a baseline before you added the mugen parts?

Mike
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Old Apr 29, 2004 | 12:09 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mike D &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Has king ever done any comparisons between their mugen pieces and other companies?

Im guessing not since it would be bad business, but im still curious.

Im only asking because both the articles ive read about the King/mugen s2000's (the 2.0 and 2.2) have showed that they dont make anymore power than stock.

again this can simply be because of the different days, or of honda bringing ringers, which was stated in the article.

Ok, i guess a better question is, did you guys get a baseline before you added the mugen parts?

Mike</TD></TR></TABLE>

No we didn't baseline before the parts - when the car was built over a year ago it was a mad dash to get it finished. No time to tinker around with it. We just got it back from press/media a couple of months ago.

We would have tried the K-Pro, but the dyno day was for our customers and we had a day booked with appointments. We've used the K-Pro on a K20A2/3 hybrid and it worked very well. We plan to tinker with the K-Pro on this car in the near future. I'll definately post results as they come available.

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