i searched, couldnt find an exact answer...

anyway, i just wanted to ask if i got a 22mm ITR rear sway for my 97 dx coupe, without a front sway bar, will it handle ok? i know there would be some oversteer, but i just wanted some first hand experience responses if possible.. thanks

 

errr there'll be a shitload of oversteer my friend,

if you do it get a stock front bar too

 

Oversteer is gooood.

 

oversteer is good if you know how to drive a loose car. cars are made to have understeer for a reason from the factory. 90% of pople do not have the capability of driving a loose car. if it starts to understeer, let out. simple. if the *** end comes around on a loose car, most people freak out, which only worsens the situation. back to the topic. yes, no front bar will cause the cars rear end to want to come around. so... if you know how to deal with this situation, thats good, because a loose car is a fast one, just be prepared to spend some more money on a set of rear tires sooner if your pushing the car all the time.

 

oversteer is better for cornering if you're into autocrossing or road racing. if you just want something with some handles for a daily driver i wouldn't go as far as a ITR rear sway bar. maybe like a smaller sway bar from a 99-00 civic SI or something.

 

gsr bar is nice if you've got no front,

heard it gives a nice balanced setup.

 

it won't be anything nuts, you won't have your rear end swing around, it will be a good improvment, as tad said.. good balance

 

A Civic with a front bar and an ITR rear bar will out handle the same Civic with only the rear ITR bar any day of the week. The ONLY situation in which you wouldn't need a front sway bar is when you are running very high spring rates. And don't even mention your $1000 or less coilovers, I'm talking about true race springs. What rate is Real Time running, 600+? Not streetable. Your off the shelf coilovers are about half that.

You people are oversteer freaks and you don't know what you're talking about. Understeer could also be called "stability". Having a front bar will dramatically decrease body roll, increase your cornering speed and traction accelerating from the apex. A Civic with decent coilovers, a 24mm (like the GSR or ITR) front bar, and a 22-24mm rear bar, like the ITR or Comptech adjustable, will have plenty of oversteer. Even for drift if you set up the alignment right.

 

I suggest an OEM Civic Si (EG) front swaybar and a nicely sized rear swaybar (19-22mm). I road race on this setup and it works out nicely .

 

but front bar do you guys recommend? keep in mind it is an EK and not all other stock front sways fit directly on like on the EG's...

i was thinking about getting a stock EX front bar, but what other parts would i need for that?

thanks

 

is it possible for the larger mm (20-up) rear sways to tear the subframe if running "shelf coilovers" (i.e. LE gc/agx civic rates)?

 

what about a CTR 23mm Front sway bar combined with a JDM ITR 23mm Rear Sway bar with a Beaks SRK? Car feels like it runs on rails.

 

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anythings possible,

heck I've seen pics of subframes tearing even with beaks kits, and rear tie bar protection.

only thing i'd fully trust are stiff springrates with a comptech rearswaybar kit.

but about your original question,
stock gc rates are fairly firm, but not THAT firm,
they should provide some protection yes. would I say 100% that you could run 22mm bar with no other subframe protection? no

 

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Yes, unless you have some sort of re-enforcement.

 

is beaks the best bet?

"what about a CTR 23mm Front sway bar combined with a JDM ITR 23mm Rear Sway bar with a Beaks SRK? Car feels like it runs on rails."

Do you know that from experience?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tad &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anythings possible,

heck I've seen pics of subframes tearing even with beaks kits, and rear tie bar protection.

only thing i'd fully trust are stiff springrates with a comptech rearswaybar kit.

but about your original question,
stock gc rates are fairly firm, but not THAT firm,
they should provide some protection yes. would I say 100% that you could run 22mm bar with no other subframe protection? no</TD></TR></TABLE>

Then again, I run Civic-rate Tein S-Techs on KYB AGX's with a 19mm ST rear sway with no auxiliary support or tiebar and, even road racing, my subframe has yet to flinch. It all depends on how you drive and what kind of rapid elevation changes you experience on a daily basis.

 

i have an itr 22mm rear bar only. it handles fine. not like my *** end kicks around wildly like everyone makes it out to be. I did however purchase and si front swaybar setup to alleviate the added front body roll after i installed the rear swaybar. I had the beaks on for about a year and a half, and it showed signs of cracking but I was lucky and got a comptech tie bar so now i'm good. beaks is ok. Really nice people though.

 

where can i get a ctr front sway?

 

classifieds on h-t

jdmhondaparts

passwordjdm

etc etc.

 

http://www.aj-racing.com/JDM-EK.html

they have the rear CTR sway bar here, kinda pricey though, anyone use that?

 

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Then again, I run Civic-rate Tein S-Techs on KYB AGX's with a 19mm ST rear sway with no auxiliary support or tiebar and, even road racing, my subframe has yet to flinch. It all depends on how you drive and what kind of rapid elevation changes you experience on a daily basis.</TD></TR></TABLE>

well the key phrase is "it all depends"

whic is true