in the h1 class if i remember correctly is the nsx, s2k, and hybrids. i'm just curious, what kind of power are the hybrids that are in contention making?

 

I think those cars are making anywhere between 170-230HP, but don't quote me, I have never seen a dyno of one.

 

i think most hybrids are around 200wheel hp if they have modified ITR engines.

The S2000 only puts about 204 to the ground, but has a 400lb weight disadvantage.

 

My car put 185whp. The winner of last race has 203 whp. Some others claimed 200-240 whp.
That is here on the west coast.

 

making 112 hp in H1

 

"The S2000 only puts about 204 to the ground, but has a 400lb weight disadvantage."

No one is going to run a "stock" s2k though. going by the rules I would say 250 WHP+ is not too hard

 

S2000's do not respond very well at all to modifications. .... I think the highest Naturally aspirated S2000 I have seen is 215hp at the rear wheels..... that was with VAFC, exhaust and mabye Intake (i can't remember).

250 wheel hp would be nice, but it would probably cost $4k of work.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spirit R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"The S2000 only puts about 204 to the ground, but has a 400lb weight disadvantage."

No one is going to run a "stock" s2k though. going by the rules I would say 250 WHP+ is not too hard</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

That's because they require ecu tuning like AEM's EMS to overide the factory ECU

a member on here has one making 240 WHP on a dyno pak with, but not "all" H1 allowed mods

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spirit R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's because they require ecu tuning like AEM's EMS to overide the factory ECU

a member on here has one making 240 WHP on a dyno pak with, but not "all" H1 allowed mods</TD></TR></TABLE>

You can't do H1 mods to a S2k or NSX.. check the rulebook.. They are just classed in H1, they are not Hybrids though, so they follow the same motor rules as H2-H5

BTW, My H1 prelude puts down 208whp, but the motor is still H2 spec...

 

"You can't do H1 mods to a S2k or NSX.. check the rulebook.. They are just classed in H1, they are not Hybrids though, so they follow the same motor rules as H2-H5"

Re-read 9.0j.

 

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Re-read 9.0j. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Not sure what you are refering to by listing section 9.0 j.

Cory is right. The S2K, NSX & 2004 TL must follow the regular classes (H2-H5) prep rules.

 

Can you take a B series engine stuff it into a S2000 and build it to hybrid rules? Or a prelude motor behind an NSX and build it to hybrid rules? I keep thinking of that.


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Not sure what you are refering to by listing section 9.0 j.

Cory is right. The S2K, NSX & 2004 TL must follow the regular classes (H2-H5) prep rules.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

"Not sure what you are refering to by listing section 9.0 j"

omg does anyone not actually read the rules ?

Hybrids are allowed to run "any" EMU while non hybrids or the s2000 can run any piggyback or EMU that plugs into the factory uncut harness

section 9 is for "all" cars

"Can you take a B series engine stuff it into a S2000 and build it to hybrid rules? Or a prelude motor behind an NSX and build it to hybrid rules? I keep thinking of that"

Both of these cars would not benefit from these kind of mods. The s2000 JDM motor is a bone stock 250 Hp engine the JDM 3.2L NSX has shown numbers as high as 270 WHP though claimed peak is only 280 per Japanese regs

If it was'nt 30K car suicide mixing it up with 944 and Miata guys a few well tuned versions would most likley make it

 

ok, so i have a 92 cx hatch w/ an itr swap and a few mods, untuned, running extemely rich it put down 180 hp to the flywheel. so were looking at around 190 hp. would this be enough power to actually be competitive in these races?

 

Spirt,
maybe this is what has Cory & I confused, "....a member on here has one making 240 WHP on a dyno pak with, but not "all" H1 allowed mods." I interpret that statement as saying that with H1 allowed mods, those power levels are obtainable. We were simply pointing out that H1 level mods, which are quite more substantial, are not legal for the S2K.

BTW, I am on the rules committee. I help write the rules. Cory was in on the original season of Honda Challenge. I am pretty sure we know the rules.

Edo,
Yes. Swapping in an engine would definitely make those hybrids. Hybrid prep rules would be allowed. Hmmm, an S2K with a B....2200lbs!

1.8L,
Yes. Andre is putting down 185. He is the current NorCal WCHC points leader.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Scot &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">S2000's do not respond very well at all to modifications. .... I think the highest Naturally aspirated S2000 I have seen is 215hp at the rear wheels..... that was with VAFC, exhaust and mabye Intake (i can't remember).

250 wheel hp would be nice, but it would probably cost $4k of work.

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I agree with Scot - it takes a lot to get more power out of an S2000. 250 RWHP would likely cost a whole lot more than $4000 and would be nowhere near legal for H1.

-Pete

 

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I'm afraid many *future* H1 racers get caught-up too much in the HP numbers. Your number of ponies is a SMALL part of the overall equation. The race car as an entire package is much more important, even in H1.

I've witnessed more races won and lost due to superior brake pads/ equipment then ever determined by HP. Don't be overly concerned with HP when starting.

Focus on:
Safety
Driver instruction
BRAKES- (in bold)
Suspension
GOOD Tires
Engine reliability
and then
HP

Good Luck.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1.8LHatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">would this be enough power to actually be competitive in these races?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm afraid many *future* H1 racers get caught-up too much in the HP numbers. Your number of ponies is a SMALL part of the overall equation. The race car as an entire package is much more important, even in H1.

I've witnessed more races won and lost due to superior brake pads/ equipment then ever determined by HP. Don't be overly concerned with HP when starting.

Focus on:
Safety
Driver instruction
BRAKES- (in bold) itr brakes all around
Suspension tein ha 24way adj, full type r suspension
GOOD Tires i'm also curious as to what tires are working out the best, but, i'll run a search for that
Engine reliability mostly stock
and then
HP

Good Luck.

i know there is more that just power to compete in road racing, i was just seeing if what i have would be sufficient. thank you for all the help

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1.8LHatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok, so i have a 92 cx hatch w/ an itr swap and a few mods, untuned, running extemely rich it put down 180 hp to the flywheel. so were looking at around 190 hp. would this be enough power to actually be competitive in these races?</TD></TR></TABLE>

How did you measure flywheel horsepower? You had it on an engine dyno, and if so, where does the 190hp come from?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JohnW &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I'm afraid many *future* H1 racers get caught-up too much in the HP numbers. Your number of ponies is a SMALL part of the overall equation. The race car as an entire package is much more important, even in H1.

I've witnessed more races won and lost due to superior brake pads/ equipment then ever determined by HP. Don't be overly concerned with HP when starting.

Focus on:
Safety
Driver instruction
BRAKES- (in bold)
Suspension
GOOD Tires
Engine reliability
and then
HP

Good Luck.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly!

 

Since that is legal And can be built to hybrid rules and be 2200lbs. I better start looking for a S2k Chassi with a blown engine.MMMMMMM RWD B18C (230hp anyone.) with huge tires and huge brakes at 2200lbs.

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Edo,
Yes. Swapping in an engine would definitely make those hybrids. Hybrid prep rules would be allowed. Hmmm, an S2K with a B....2200lbs!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITAIntegraLS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Since that is legal And can be built to hybrid rules and be 2200lbs. I better start looking for a S2k Chassi with a blown engine.MMMMMMM RWD B18C (230hp anyone.) with huge tires and huge brakes at 2200lbs.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Try Doug at http://pulpracing.com/. He's got a three year old S2000 that's just out of warranty with a big-assed hole in the block. Nicely vented oil pan, too.

Thawley

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITAIntegraLS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Since that is legal And can be built to hybrid rules and be 2200lbs. I better start looking for a S2k Chassi with a blown engine.MMMMMMM RWD B18C (230hp anyone.) with huge tires and huge brakes at 2200lbs.

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Section 16.1 of the rules says:

""The Acura NSX and the Honda S2000 are not eligible to be prepared as Hybrids."

Wouldn't that preclude the B series swap?

And, for those excited by the 2200 pound S2000 concept, you should throw a fully gutted one on some scales - that weight would never happen.

-Pete

 

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Edo,
Yes. Swapping in an engine would definitely make those hybrids. Hybrid prep rules would be allowed. Hmmm, an S2K with a B....2200lbs!
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Um...no.

Check out 16.1c: "The Acura NSX and the Honda S2000 are not eligible to be prepared as "Hybrids."

[EDIT] DAMMIT! Pete beat me to the punch.


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BTW, I am on the rules committee. I help write the rules. Cory was in on the original season of Honda Challenge. I am pretty sure we know the rules.</TD></TR></TABLE>

*Points and laughs a la Nelson*

HA-HA

 

Plus, B/H series motors spin the wrong way. Now, a K24 would spin the right way.....

Brian