Dudes,

yesterday I had a phone-call which didn`t let me sleep last night.

I`m desperatly looking for a tuner who throws in my crower valvesprings, the AEM-camgears and the camshafts and dynoes this all..
I`m looking very hard but there is noone here who dares to touch this engine.

The dealer:" Honda Vtec ? No, we don`t do that, because I know what happens
if we modify the engine. It`ll blow."

Me: " It wil blow ? Did this happen in the past sometimes"

Dealer: "Very often. It`s okay for 4000km racing but there`s no chance to modify the Type-R as a daily driver. The engine will take damage."

Me: " Is there maybe another garage which dares to make the swap ?"

Dealer: " Well, swapping the parts is not the problem, we could do this but NO WARRANTY. And that`s the story for all the other tuners here. You will find noone who gives warranty because these engines have to stay stock or they will blow."

Me: "Thanks, goodbye."


Dudes,

this is the tuners homepge:
http://www.k-a-tuning.de/start.htm


They modify Porsches to racecars, mod Audi, Mercedes, GM and BMW. I am really insecure now.

What can happen with my setup ??
K&N Filter, crower stage 2, crower titanium springs, platinum retainers, AEM-Camgears and maybe VAFC.

Is he right ?

I`m hoping for some answers.

Bye
Maijk

 

He's clearly uninformed. Sleep easy.

 

What he tried to say is: We don't know how to modify Honda engines properly.

 

most tuners here in sydney dont really know squat about NA tuning!..mostly what dominates here in sydney in turbocharged cars!....

 

...it's all in the installation of good, correct parts and the driving habits of the owner... Idiotic statement...

 

Pish POSH.....
sleep easy and when you awaken.......MOD ON the car!!

 

Hey Pat.. heed your own advice (dodging bullets) Hit me up sucka. I"M FREE!!!

 

It sounds to me like the dealer is just covering thier ***. A lot of people with tuned cars (of any brand) end up with blown motors, regardless of the reasons it wouldn't be smart to cover the warranty. I don't know of any shop that will cover it under warranty.

I think that if you want to mod a new car beyond the basic bolt ons, kiss your warranty goodbye.

 

They just don't want to take the risk ...... they probaby NEVER work on a Honda engine

Look at their web site....Not a single Japanese car there.....!!!!!!!!


[Modified by WhosITR, 11:53 AM 10/31/2001]

 

I hope those valve springs are matched to the cams you've got.

Warren

 

Save your money. The car will not be as fast as you think. All that money and it will still run 14's or 15's on street tires. Trust me 5 or 10 horsepower to ground is not worth your car lasting a year or less on the street. It would suck to know that before you started modding your car there was nothing wrong with it in the first place.

 

Those valvesprings are good for 10k. They may be stronger than required.
My stock valvesprings still got broke because of the hot cams.

I`m thinking of returning to stock cams...

dudes, one question:
If someone swaps the cams from stock to toda b or crower stage 2, swaps the valvetrain too, allright.
But I guess it can not be driven with the stock ecu because the valves stay opened for a longer time and the timing has to be changed.
Is there danger of kollision ? What shall be done to the ecu ?

 

if the engine blows then I wonder how mugen and spoon do it

 

i wouldnt worry about it
its the place covering themselves
thats why every online place you buy an engine from says not for street use only for track.

 

Translation: I don't know how to tune Honda's, never did it...if I tried it will blow and I won't be responsible...

 

I have driven for 10000 miles with my setup, and how come it's not blown up yet?

My setup:
http://www.geocities.com/leunghomepage/IntegraMods.html

For me, I'd say my motor is still breaking in!

A lot of folks who own reputable shops do avoid working on engines that they are unfamiliar with. They won't say that they suck at it, so rather they start making pathetic statements on WHY they don't work on it...

 

you should be glad they were honest w/ you though...most places would take your money, do the install, and you'd be on your own...

 

lol dont worry nothing will happen i have no idea why they would tell you that...

 

dudes, one question:
If someone swaps the cams from stock to toda b or crower stage 2, swaps the valvetrain too, allright.
But I guess it can not be driven with the stock ecu because the valves stay opened for a longer time and the timing has to be changed.
Is there danger of kollision ? What shall be done to the ecu ?

 

The timing you're refering to is cam timing. Cam timing is adjusted with the cam gears, not by the ecu. Valve to piston collision would only occur if the cam timing is adjusted too far in any one direction w/ the cam gears (the reason why Toda's own pulleys have a smaller range of adjustment than many others). As for the ecu, as long as you have some sort of fuel management (e.g. V-AFC) and a reasonable compression ratio, there shouldn't be any danger with using the stock ecu. The three main reasons for chipping or replacing the ecu would be to adjust the ignition timing maps (such as when running high compression), to modify the fuel curve (this can also be done to a reasonable extent with a piggy-back controller like the V-AFC) and to raise the fuel-cut to take advantage of a larger cam's higher RPM range. So basically, stock ecu should be fine - but with any cam install tuning is crucial.

 

You are absolutely right SpecR0123. Tunning is esential part of building any engine. Without the proper tunning of a/f ratio, ignition timing, and cam timeing, no matter what you change in your engine it will not give you the ultimate results or in the worst case scenerio it might even brake things. But don't worry, nothing will happen with your engine when you install the parts you have, as long as you take it to the dyno and tune it properly. And I don't mean guesstimate on a VAFC or buy some chip, that's not the way to do it. To tune the engine correctly you will have to adjust everything and watch the outcomes on the dyno charts. Remember tuning is massaging your engine to make it perform as if it was stock. I personnally have a N/A b18c in my 93 hatch which is tricked with Jun 3's and evryday I push it to 9200rpm redline for the past year and still perfect condition. Why, because of tunning, I spent 8hr of tunning on the dyno and another 4hr on the highway massaging the ECU program untill it was smooth like stock. My car behaves like a stock GSR, but puts over 200whp to the ground. Remember once again it is all in tunning.

Keep up the good work of tunning honda motors.

 

Well,

thanks to you all..

That`s the biggest problem. We have noone who let my R on their dyno.
They don`t dare to change the cam adjustment. Nobody knows what`s a
VAFC and doesn`t know how to install/adjust.. That sucks !

I would install the VAFC and the cam gears by myself, but not the valvesprings. And I would need a dyno. But there is none.
I`m thinking of selling my R and go for a Porsche or GM.

Maijk

 

All I have to say is never take your Honda to a shop that have no experience on Honda before. I brought my car to a shop who have over 20yrs experience on Toyota to install the TODA cams on my DelSol, and it ended up they didn't tighten the cam bolt enough, and the intake cam broke!!

 

DUDES !!

I`ve found someone..
http://www.idol-motorsport.de/

Look at the phat ITR at this homepage. They are 50km away from me and offered to manage the swap.

Thanks to you all.

Maijk

 

cool...keep us updated on the install and its end result!