Just wanted to post some updated pics of my cage. I just got my Nascar basket done, gutted both doors, and finished the "x" on the passenger side.

 

Nice efficient design. Don't forget to put braces towards the front wheel wells to keep the wheel from crushing the cabin.

Warren

 

You can gut the passenger door in Honda Challenge?

 

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Yes, you may:

"Honda Challenge Rules 4.10
Door Safety Bars
In addition to meeting all the NASA CCR specifications for the roll cage, Honda Challenge Series cars must
also meet the following additional specifications. At least one door bar must be used on both the driver and
passenger sides. The drivers side window glass, window operating mechanism, inner door panel, and interior
door latch assemblies may be removed, but the OEM side impact beam may not be removed or modified
unless NASCAR-style bars (as defined in CCR) which extend to the outer door skin are added to the roll
cage. It is highly recommend using a NASCAR style door bar for adequate side impact protection.
<U>Passenger side window glass, window operating mechanism, inner door panel, and interior door latch
assemblies may be removed, but the OEM side impact beam may not be removed unless 2 bars are utilized in
the cage design (i.e. 2 horizontal bars or X design).</U>"


Gut away!!!! I'll be doing this to my 95 EX soon! Cage looks real clean. Looks good, 6g!

 

Got it. I remember this question from a year or so ago (hell, it might have been my question) as I *thought* it was the same as IT rules.

 

Chris,

Congrats!!! It is good that you finished your cage.

(sorry, I couldn't hang when I was in Exton. work is getting a little busy)

 

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<U>Passenger side window glass, window operating mechanism, inner door panel, and interior door latch
assemblies may be removed, but the OEM side impact beam may not be removed unless 2 bars are utilized in
the cage design.</U>"</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't mean to turn the discussion to a rules question, but I don't read the above as license to remove sheet metal unless the phrase "inner door panel" includes the cardboard/cloth/plastic door panel and the sheet metal behind it.

 

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I don't mean to turn the discussion to a rules question, but I don't read the above as license to remove sheet metal "inner door panel" includes the cardboard/cloth/plastic door panel and the sheet metal behind it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think you may be right. I kept the sheet metal because I thought the rule was similar to IT rules.

 

im curious, whats that red strap across the door, door opening mechanism?

 

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I don't mean to turn the discussion to a rules question, but I don't read the above as license to remove sheet metal unless the phrase "inner door panel" includes the cardboard/cloth/plastic door panel and the sheet metal behind it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It is legal. Perhaps we will need to be more specific in our 2005 rules edition.

 

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It is legal. Perhaps we will need to be more specific in our 2005 rules edition.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yea, the rule reads almost exactly as the ITCS reads, but the HC wording lacks a necessary phrase. Compare to the ITCS:

"The driver's door window glass, window operating mechanism, and inside door latch/lock operating mechanism may be removed and the inner door structural panel may be modified, but not removed" And it goes on...

Now that I read it, I don't see anything in the wording of the HC rules for the drivers door that allows the removal of this inner sheet metal except for the phrase "but the OEM side impact beam may not be removed or modified unless NASCAR-style bars (as defined in CCR) which extend to the outer door skin are added to the roll cage." It seems almost obvious that if the bars are allowed to "extend to the outer door skin" the inner skin must be removed, but it doesn't actually say you can remove it. Either way, I didn't mean to turn this into a rule issue. If it needs to be addressed I'm sure it will be.

After all that...very nice looking cage

 

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probably a door handle.

 

looking good

now we just need to build you a motor

 

i don't know much about cage design, but don't you want mounting plates where the tubes connect to the strut towers, floor pan, etc???

or am i just not seeing them?

 

looks like the mounting plates were painted red to me.

 

thos pictures make me glad I could fit the dash bar behind the dash instead of under it

see : - ouch!

 

Great job.
However, I wonder about the long term here. Honda Challenge is different from Improved Touring. If you decide to run both series-the setup will not pass SCCA since IT requires the passenger door to be left virtually intact. I also would not remove the stock beam on either side-the NASCAR bars will clear it if done right. This is what we did. Until I'm told otherwise by Tech-the glass stays in.

 

i have a question, sorry to jack your post but

in this picture i don't see the, bracing (i dunno what it is really called ) that i see on most cages like this


im assuming this is normally done for strengh, any one care to elaborate on why this cage ( from the original poster) doesn't have this, also why it is done on most other cages i see?

thanks and gain this was not ment to be a thread jack

 

look closer, its just painted over red to match the chassis.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jc836 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Great job.
However, I wonder about the long term here. Honda Challenge is different from Improved Touring. If you decide to run both series-the setup will not pass SCCA since IT requires the passenger door to be left virtually intact. I also would not remove the stock beam on either side-the NASCAR bars will clear it if done right. This is what we did. Until I'm told otherwise by Tech-the glass stays in.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm really not too concerned with other racing series due to the lack of classes for H1 hybrids.

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Yes, the plate is just painted red

 

Nicy Nice!

 

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I'm really not too concerned with other racing series due to the lack of classes for H1 hybrids. ...
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I was wondering the same thing but if it's an H1 car, you're right - it just doesn't matter. That is, unless your local region's ITE rules are tweaky enough to let hybrids in but require IT-legal modifications and I can see that possibly happening.

K

 

or you could sell the chassis and cage later without the engine depending on the origin of the chassis model for IT use, based on future IT classing. but im just rambling.

 

With the removal of the door panals, why would you want to leave the glass in?? (Note that the legality of the door mods are legal per HC rules. Aren't we always telling people to read & then build to the rules?) If the glass were in & there was an impact, there would be the danger of flying glass everywhere.

A better solution, if concerned about cross over to another sanctioning body, would be having extra door(s). BTW, didn't the sig. say H1 somewhere. Doubt it will find a place to run...maybe ITE.

 

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HC requires removal of the glass