I am going to get a new car in few months, and need help with a few questions to pick the right civic hatch, EF or EG. I've searched, but had little luck so here they are. 1) Which one is easier/cheaper to get to handle .90+ G's by part swaps, aftermarket etc and gutting? Better chassis balance + design? 2) What is the size difference in backseat room? I'm comfortable in an EM2 backseat, never been in a hatch. 3) I've heard both the d15b7? and d16z6 are great motors to boost. I'd wan't the lightest model hatch I could find like CX, VX, and then do a mini-me custom turbo or kit. Would a vtec head swap be favorable for boost, or is it worth the $ and time to just go obd2 with the z6 swap in an old hatch and turbo? I want good power, but not obscene numbers, just a good daily driver with good handling. Sorry for the long post, but you guys know your stuff way better than my ricer friends. TY!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Import Al &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am going to get a new car in few months, and need help with a few questions to pick the right civic hatch, EF or EG. I've searched, but had little luck so here they are. 1) Which one is easier/cheaper to get to handle .90+ G's by part swaps, aftermarket etc and gutting? Better chassis balance + design? 2) What is the size difference in backseat room? I'm comfortable in an EM2 backseat, never been in a hatch. 3) I've heard both the d15b7? and d16z6 are great motors to boost. I'd wan't the lightest model hatch I could find like CX, VX, and then do a mini-me custom turbo or kit. Would a vtec head swap be favorable for boost, or is it worth the $ and time to just go obd2 with the z6 swap in an old hatch and turbo? I want good power, but not obscene numbers, just a good daily driver with good handling. Sorry for the long post, but you guys know your stuff way better than my ricer friends. TY!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well, the 4th gens are easier to get to handle. We've got a fron Crossmember, a tighter suspension setup, and the cars are lighter. Also, as far as balance is concerned, the CRX is the king there. However, the swaps are easier to do in a 5th gen. I'm not aware of backseat differences, but I do know that my old hatch was able to fit five people pretty well (they didn't complain). Our cars (4th gen) used the D16A6 as the Si motor, it was a pretty nice little motor, and Very easy to boost properly.

EF- Handling, Cheaper Car, Better Balance, more go for the money (especially with a motor swap), lighter.
EG- Easier to get parts for, easier to swap a motor in.

They're pretty much the same, but the 4th gen is a dying breed, and its owners are generally more respected for some reason.

 

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Really? All the 4th gen owners around here are complete retards.

egs are easier to mod and generally in better condition than an ef. Motor swaps are easy, interior swaps are easier. And since they're newer they dont ride like an old school bus. I still love my crx, don't get me wrong, but if i were to start over again it'd be a del sol.

 

I currently own a 93 EG hatch. I love it but, the cancer has taken over or else I would have never gotten rid of it. It is in the process of handing its motor/trans/etc. over to a 91 CRX Si. I picked up the crx cheap, thats why the body switch. I first wanted a EF but settled for the EG, which quickly grew on me.
We will see in the next few weeks here which body I truly like better.

 

I've owned 2 EG's(EX coupe and SI hatch) and 1 EF (CRX)

Daily driven, I would like a newer car with all the ammenities (sp?) Based strictly on performance, EF all the way!!!

 

Honda Tech people are more helpful than other forums, less "newbie lynching." Yeah, I like the sharp, raw Japanese tuner look of 4th gens too over the softer EGs. If I could find one in good condition, which is hard, it seems to be more what I'm about. So you guys think the D16A6 has good FI potential? Kick ***, they cost less than an ounce of bud where I'm from. But aren't they non-vtec? I'm not sure. I've always heard that the the D16Z6 is the turbo and topend king, but you say swapping in that is a hassle. I just want a -13 sec daily driver with good moves.

 

Oh yeah, twin cams are for girly men, except for the S2000 and K20. I like fast cars that are anorexic on gas. So you say the EF has a harsher ride, eh? That is one of the few knocks I have found so far.

 

well if this is a eg vs. ef topic im gonna have to say ef. ive owned a ef hatch and currently own a crx and it would be really hard to get rid of a rex for a eg hatch. personally when i think of honda the only car that comes to mind is a crx anyway. best handeling honda out there.

 

91sired, Tighter handling than an ITR? Must be fun throwing that little go kart around, huh?

 

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someone here has pictures of an ef handling an itr around....or was it on ef-honda.com or the crx forums? hm?

 

with the exception of me of course

 

yo import al, are we talking a crx and an itr with built suspensions? either way in my opinion the crx has the advantage. lighter,smaller, and shorter wheel base. i see crxs basically killing bigtime cars like ''itr's'' and so on with built suspensions and stock a6's at all the autox events. thank u call again.

 

I had an EF but now i have an EG. I like the EG better

 

i've had both. i used to have a '91 ef standard with a zc swap, gc/konis, rear st sway, etc. that car was a lot of fun! i miss it and the styling was awesome. The hatch has more room because of how it opens, and it has a higher roof than the eg in the back. So it feels like there's more rear seat room, its more open.

the eg is great too though. its got a more substantial feeling to it, like there more car. that can be a good thing and a bad thing. I like the feel of a cable operated clutch over the hydraulic system of the eg. my eg is definitely faster though (this is because of the engine, so it shouldn't be considered here, espeically since you're going to do a swap). The ef had better steering, but my eg has better brakes. The eg is easier to modify due to the abundance of DC integra parts.. like brakes, springs/shocks, suspension arms, sway bars, strut bars, exhausts, etc.

its a pretty tough choice if you ask me.. but if i had to start from scratch all over again, i think i'd choose an ef hatch, and go with a boosted d16a6 for smog/legality reasons... and do a jdm front end! that'd be a great daily driver, lots of space for stuff, fast, looks great...

 

I've got a 90 Si/w a B17 and a 96 cx with all power options added in and stock motor.

The ef spanks the ek in everything but comfort and stock donor parts.

The si handles better, looks meaner and feels responsive. Parts also get cheaper if you drive an old car.

I bought the ek cause I wanted a car that is comfortable, clean and easy to install power windows. I love them both.

If I had to do it over, I'd turbo the ef

 

I'd go witht he newer car

 

Thanks for the feedback. It is shaping up to look more like a EF than a newer hatch for me. Who needs comfort when my trips short bursts around town? Can EF be made to look tight with kits, or are there more airdams and stuff for eg? The only thing I don't like about the EF is finding one rust free and it's honest vehicle history. I should try CARFAX for that.

 

vash said it best but we get more respect because we rep it hardcore.....ef love!

 

There are a lot of nice ef kits, i recommend the mugen flared or you could just go with a simple SiR conversion, like I'm gonna do with mine. Engine comes first though.

 

well.. if i had to do it all over again i'd get the newest 5g VX hatch I could get and do a crvtec swap. I love my crx dont get me wrong. but it's not a good winter car (canada) (i dont drive it in the winter btw) and parts are easier to find / cheaper for a 5g. Especially swaps. You may end up paying a little more for the obd1 motor as oppose to the obd0 motor but you'll save on mounts, linkages, wiring, axles etc.

 

If you want my opinion, you'll get a lot more respect running a CR-X because there are soooo many eg hatches running around these days, although they do look cool as hell, I would never walk away from my ReX.