FAO: 91-94 Vigor owners - needed: Length of Stock Springs front & rear??
Hi.
I have been sold an Eibach Pro Kit for this car. All well and good you may say?
Except for the fact that I have a CIVIC! ('96 SOHC Hatchback)
When ordering this kit, I said I was looking for a kit with a drop of:
2-2.2" Front
1.6-1.8 Rear.
I was told initially by the guy getting them for me(Im in Ireland, in Europe so its a little more complicated to get the likes of a ProKit or Sportlines etc, tho they can be gotten via the net from the likes of Optauto except the give it to you firmly up the *** when it comes to shipping! :D ), anyway, to start with I was told he was ordering a custom Eibach kit, with my particular car's weight and shocks(Koni Yellows) in mind, and also that they were to be Linear springs as nowhere really makes custom Progressive springs as it involves too much testing etc to get it right(which makes sense right?).
Anyhow, through a lot of messups, its taken quite some time to get these springs. I picked them up off him late last night in a hurry, and didnt notice til I got home that it said "Pro-Kit" and "Progressive" on the box. To start with I was fairly pissed cos I assumed that it was a Civic pro Kit which thanks to this and other sites I am familiar with - a 1.3" drop F&R!
But then the part number didnt match the Civic one so i called Eibach USA who kindaly informed me they are for an Acura Vigor with a 1.2" drop F&R!
Now, heres the reason Im posting here - I contacted the guy briefly and he says he is assured they are what I need. Now I kinda trust him cos he& his company are very good with most things and usually very precise around cars.
So my theory is that maybe the Acura Vigor stock springs are shorter than the EK(96-00) ones and hence you get more of a drop? But they would need to be a decent bit shorter, and also have shorter control arms because my Civic only weighs 1100kg(2420lbs) and I assume a Vigor weighs more than that? (shorter control arms would mean the springs compress less on the Vigor-i.e. law-of-lever??)
The important bit for the lazy readers:
<FONT SIZE="3">So, my question to you Vigor owners: does anyone have their stock springs sitting in the garage/shed/house and wouldnt mind taking a measuring tape to each the front and rear springs and tell me how long each is? So I can compare this to my stock springs</FONT>(I already have other lowering springs on the car which I dont like, so my stocks are in the garage)
Would really appreciate it if someone could oblige. Because my friend and I will be fitting these in my driveway as we do with everything else on my car, so its a good 5hours work that could be avoided if these are definitely not gona be right!
Thanks.
I have been sold an Eibach Pro Kit for this car. All well and good you may say?
Except for the fact that I have a CIVIC! ('96 SOHC Hatchback)
When ordering this kit, I said I was looking for a kit with a drop of:
2-2.2" Front
1.6-1.8 Rear.
I was told initially by the guy getting them for me(Im in Ireland, in Europe so its a little more complicated to get the likes of a ProKit or Sportlines etc, tho they can be gotten via the net from the likes of Optauto except the give it to you firmly up the *** when it comes to shipping! :D ), anyway, to start with I was told he was ordering a custom Eibach kit, with my particular car's weight and shocks(Koni Yellows) in mind, and also that they were to be Linear springs as nowhere really makes custom Progressive springs as it involves too much testing etc to get it right(which makes sense right?).
Anyhow, through a lot of messups, its taken quite some time to get these springs. I picked them up off him late last night in a hurry, and didnt notice til I got home that it said "Pro-Kit" and "Progressive" on the box. To start with I was fairly pissed cos I assumed that it was a Civic pro Kit which thanks to this and other sites I am familiar with - a 1.3" drop F&R!
But then the part number didnt match the Civic one so i called Eibach USA who kindaly informed me they are for an Acura Vigor with a 1.2" drop F&R!
Now, heres the reason Im posting here - I contacted the guy briefly and he says he is assured they are what I need. Now I kinda trust him cos he& his company are very good with most things and usually very precise around cars.
So my theory is that maybe the Acura Vigor stock springs are shorter than the EK(96-00) ones and hence you get more of a drop? But they would need to be a decent bit shorter, and also have shorter control arms because my Civic only weighs 1100kg(2420lbs) and I assume a Vigor weighs more than that? (shorter control arms would mean the springs compress less on the Vigor-i.e. law-of-lever??)
The important bit for the lazy readers:
<FONT SIZE="3">So, my question to you Vigor owners: does anyone have their stock springs sitting in the garage/shed/house and wouldnt mind taking a measuring tape to each the front and rear springs and tell me how long each is? So I can compare this to my stock springs</FONT>(I already have other lowering springs on the car which I dont like, so my stocks are in the garage)
Would really appreciate it if someone could oblige. Because my friend and I will be fitting these in my driveway as we do with everything else on my car, so its a good 5hours work that could be avoided if these are definitely not gona be right!
Thanks.
You are in luck. I have my stock springs in the gargage. Once I find something to measure it with, I will post the lengths for you.
I love you!
Ok, so I dont, but Im not far off at this moment!
Thanks, really appreciate it.
If you could do both front & rear springs and tell me which is which?
Out of 7 different places i posted this this morning, Honda-Tech is the only place ive gotten a response yet!
Ok, so I dont, but Im not far off at this moment!
Thanks, really appreciate it.
If you could do both front & rear springs and tell me which is which?
Out of 7 different places i posted this this morning, Honda-Tech is the only place ive gotten a response yet!
Also, if you are by any chance familiar with EK Civic lower-control-arms/swing arms, could you say if you think the Vigor ones are shorter, longer or similar?
Also, I saw a weight of 3142lbs for the Vigor, does that sound right?
Because if it does then id be really surprised if these springs work for me as my car only weighs 2420lbs!! And has a much lighter engine than the Vigor's 2.5L 5cylinder!??
Also, I saw a weight of 3142lbs for the Vigor, does that sound right?
Because if it does then id be really surprised if these springs work for me as my car only weighs 2420lbs!! And has a much lighter engine than the Vigor's 2.5L 5cylinder!??
Much Obliged, thankyou.
Didnt get time to measure my stock springs last night, but I did place the Pro Kit Springs beside them, and they looked bout ~35-40mm(1.4-1.6") shorter I think, and obviously they are a stiffer spring than a stock spring so will compress less.
So, chances are these will just drop me bout 30mm(1.2")? Unless of course my guy was not told that they are supposed to be used on the lower perch of the Koni's? Even that would just make it (at best) 46mm(1.82"), which is what I want for the rear, but too high for the front.
I read elsewhere that the Vigor Pro-Kit is a 4.1kg/mm Spring Rate?(Also presume thats an average as they are a progressive spring)
Do you know if that is right? I tried to call Eibach again yesterady but gave up after 7mins on hold(it aint cheap to call USA from Ireland!) Will try em again at 3pm our time today (10am EST, 7am PST?).
If so, this is an appropriate rate for what I want and the extra weight of the Vigor is obviously offset through different suspension geometry.
Didnt get time to measure my stock springs last night, but I did place the Pro Kit Springs beside them, and they looked bout ~35-40mm(1.4-1.6") shorter I think, and obviously they are a stiffer spring than a stock spring so will compress less.
So, chances are these will just drop me bout 30mm(1.2")? Unless of course my guy was not told that they are supposed to be used on the lower perch of the Koni's? Even that would just make it (at best) 46mm(1.82"), which is what I want for the rear, but too high for the front.
I read elsewhere that the Vigor Pro-Kit is a 4.1kg/mm Spring Rate?(Also presume thats an average as they are a progressive spring)
Do you know if that is right? I tried to call Eibach again yesterady but gave up after 7mins on hold(it aint cheap to call USA from Ireland!) Will try em again at 3pm our time today (10am EST, 7am PST?).
If so, this is an appropriate rate for what I want and the extra weight of the Vigor is obviously offset through different suspension geometry.
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Rang eibach and all they can tell me is that a Pro-Kit is 15-20% stiffer than stock, thats all the info they can give me.
They dont even have an average of the rate in the Pro-Kit to quote. Either for the Civic or the Vigor one.
They dont even have an average of the rate in the Pro-Kit to quote. Either for the Civic or the Vigor one.
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