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1999 GSR





Modified by InfamousGSR at 9:16 PM 4/19/2004

 

 

I've heard that some ITR's come with those bearings, and I think, but I can't really remember, the one '00 USDM ITR tranny I did crack open did have those enclosed ball bearings.

Both of the GS-R trannies I've opened up have tapered roller bearings.

In the Helm diagrams, the LS trannies have enclosed ball bearings, and the GS-R/ITR's have tapered roller bearings.

 

Maybe you can help me out. My quaife seems to be making alot of noise. Sometimes its quiet and sometimes not.

I used GM synchromesh friction modified.

Sometimes the car drives normal. I can turn and here no noises and take off and no noises. Then other times I hear clank noises when I turn slowly or even take off. We cant figure out what it is. The guy said he did all the clearences and they were straight.

 

GS-R tranny has tapered roller bearings.... LSD tranny's require the sealed flat bearings. also LS's have them too.

 

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Both of the GS-R trannies I've opened up have tapered roller bearings.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Same with my LS. That appears to be an ITR one. I had to swap to that one when I put the 4.400 countershaft and ring gear in my LS tranny for the ITR LSD.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by InfamousGSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Maybe you can help me out. My quaife seems to be making alot of noise. Sometimes its quiet and sometimes not.

I used GM synchromesh friction modified.

Sometimes the car drives normal. I can turn and here no noises and take off and no noises. Then other times I hear clank noises when I turn slowly or even take off. We cant figure out what it is. The guy said he did all the clearences and they were straight.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Did you replace the bearings?

Give Quaife a call. They have good tech support and will help you out. I had problems with my original LSD and I ended up sending it back for inpsection. To make a long story short, they sent me a brand new one.

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Not true, you can use any style bearings you want. I have seen GSR, ITR, and B16 trannys with each style.

 

I bought new bearings from acura which were type R bearings and I told the mechanic to put these in. I was there when he was doing it. I dont remember what bearing wass on it but I think it wasnt closed. So your saying the ones pictured are the type R ones?

If yes that means that the shop mistakenly put the old ones on thinking they were new and might be a reason why my quaife makes alot of noises after driving hard with it. Since preload wasnt set with the original bearings. I dunno but its pissing me off.

 

I need quaife people to speak up and tell me whats up.

 

im in the process of putting my quaife in my gsr. I went through the same thing with these bearings. Its crazy. I have the tapered roller bearings, not the sealed ones. Ive talked numerous times with Acura, and LS and ITR trannies came with the sealed bearings, while the GSR has the tapered roller bearings. With the roller bearings u need to check the turning torque, which was between 12 and 23 inch pounds. Basically the differential should start turning somewhere in these specs. If it turns after 23 inch pounds its too tight, then u have to measure and replace the shims. We are still gettin the motor back in the car so i havent really ran mine, but its been a long process cause im not tryin to run into these problems. Ive got the Acura Service manual, so thats where i got this info from. Hope it helps.

 

So I guess the shop accidently installed the wrong bearings thinking it was new. This is fukin great.

Also it doesnt make noise when its cold only when its been driven kind of hard for like 1 hour.

 

Do the 99 GSR trannys come with the enclosed bearings?

I think I remember seeing a tapered bearing on the DIfferential. The other bearing I have pictured above is on my open (stock) differential. So that means that the shop pressed the new bearing on the open differential or 99 GSR trannys come with enclosed bearings. Im pretty positive I saw the tapered ones on. OMG I hate this

 

You can use any bearings you like. I like to used the sealed bearings because they are easier to work with.

I am not to sure what a 99 GSR comes with. But it doesnt matter which ones you put back in.

Also my Quaife makes no noises at all. I use Honda MTF, GM syncromesh, and some special fluid mix in the tranny with no problems.

Like I said, call Quaife and see what they say. Or, go to the shop that did the work and tell them to look at it.

 

Well I paid 100$ for 2 bearings so I care. (the type R ones so we dont have to do the preload)

Anyways He said that the bearings I have pictured are the ones off my open differential which are old.

I looked over here ( https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=795700 ) and looked at the 1st and last picture of the differential.

The 1st one has the tapered bearing ring and then the enclosed bearing. The last pic just has the enclosed bearing without the tapered bearing. SO we have to remove that piece? He had the tapred ring pressed onto the new enclosed bearings. Any suggestions?

He also said that the bearings were both the same old and new. So maybe the newere GSR come already with the Type R bearings.


PS. when car is fresh and hasnt been driven it doesnt make noise. After a beating of taking hard turns ( 1 hour or more ) then it starts to groan just taking off and turning slowly. The groan is first noticible when slowly turning after the beating on car. As it gets worse then just taking off it makes noises. Also just downshifting from 3rd to 2nd makes a loud ''whirring'' noise kind of like a amplified abs motor. Im not sure if this is normal. I know when you start modifying a car then it's not the same but there are people who are saying they dont hear a peep from their quiafe. The groan only happens in 1st geat.

 

I swapped in an ITR LSD with enclosed ball bearings.

The pictures of the diff with the tapered roller bearings are of the stock GS-R open diff.

Your confusion makes me think that I have to go back and revise the thread.

 

So your saying that I need to take out that tapred ball bearing ring from the enclosed bearing?

 

ok im confused... the 2nd post with the bearings are "enclosed bearings" right?

i also bought 2 new diff bearings that go on the stock GSR diff for my quaife ( paid $104 for both)

dont have any noise or any problems with the quaife and the new stock roller bearings...

 

You're still confusing elements of the roller bearings with the ball bearings. You can only have one or the other.

If you have tapered roller bearings, then there are the outer bearing race pieces pressed into the case that have to be removed to use the ball bearings. It's physically impossible to squeeze the ball bearings in without removing the outer races for the roller bearings.

 

Ok so on your tranny overhaul, is the last picture what its suppose to look like when the diff is ready or do you still need to press in the ring ''thing'' tapred bearing?

I think they pressed the ring ''thing'' onto the new bearings and it looks like ur 1st picture of the lsd basically.

 

That's what it looks like when the diff is ready to be dropped in. There's nothing else that needs to be done with the diff or the diff bearings...except setting the thrust clearance with the shim.

 

Ok, this thread is getting confusing, even for me

Did you call up Quaife like I mentioned? They deal with LSD's and tranny parts all day long. They know alot and can probably help you if you give them your symptoms.

When you install sealed ball bearings their are only 3 components. 2 bearings and one selective shim.

When you instal tapered roller bearings their are more components. 2 bearings, 2 bearing races, 2 thrust shims, and a selective shim.

Hope that clears it up a bit

 

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so what kinda bearing is this?

 

That's an enclosed ball bearing.

 

its an enclosed bearing without the outer tapered race.
GSR and ITR have the same bearings but GSR have the tapred race.

 

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GSR and ITR have the same bearings but GSR have the tapred race.</TD></TR></TABLE>

An enclosed bearing doesnt use a tapered race.