my curent setup is:

-stock JDM ITR long block
-JDM oem 4-1 header, 2.5" cat, 2.25 cat back
-spoon chiped p28
-3" CAI
-walbro 255lb intank
-cam gears

future mods to go with the cams:

-im woking on my home make ITBs
-1 layer HG (cr ~ 11.6-11.7:1) or 2 layer HG (cr ~ 11.3-11.4:1)
-vafc and reprogram the p28 for my application, with 10k rpm redline.
-fuel pressure regulator
-Rocket valve springs and stock retainers, will it handle 10k rpm?
-maybe better headers and 2.5" catback

i was think Toda C's but i've been reading and it seems that i don't have enough compression to fully take advantage of it. so i was looking into the Toda B's and they seem to be a better choose, but then some people told me that skunk2 stage2 are better than toda B's. what do you guys think? drivability is not a big concern, i don't mind if it idles rough as long as it stays idle. i only drive this car in the weekend looking for races or going to the race track. i have to drive 1.5-2 hrs to get to the track. my goal is 200-210 whp for now. if i get more with this setup, that would be a plus.

 

Toda Spec B
Int-255 dur. / 12.0mm lift
Exh-245 dur. / 12.0mm lift

Skunk2 Stage 2
Int-266 dur. / 12.3mm lift
Exh-262 dur. / 11.8mm lift

at 1mm.

i would say the skunks becuase your going to need a more aggressive cam tog et more air in from thoe itbs to get potential out of them

PS i have skunk2 stg 2s forsale, brand new. https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=830424

 

toda A or even skunk stage 1 or crower 401

greg

 

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greg</TD></TR></TABLE>

you don't think i can get more power with stage 2 cams? i thought stage 1 cams are more for stock engine, non type r. those cams are not that much better than the stock type r.

 

no way, not stg1 or A's. if your goal is 200 then get the 2's plus all those things youre adding at the same time as the cams.. itll be a good setup

 

get the s2s2's

 

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you don't think i can get more power with stage 2 cams? i thought stage 1 cams are more for stock engine, non type r. those cams are not that much better than the stock type r.</TD></TR></TABLE>

11.5: is fairly low for those cams, you can prolly get 190ish but with smaller cams I think you can get 185-187ish but a much stronger torque curve, i.e. benchrace the two and the smaller cam will win with the engine you have.

greg

 

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Stage 1 cams are quit a bit more aggressive than type r cams. Not radical by any means, as they still maintain CARB approval but will diffinently outperform ITR and CTR cams.

As for "more power" sure you will get more peak power with stage two cams, but that will not necessarily make your car faster or quicker. The area under your power curve in your powerband is what you are trying to maximize, not peak power. With your current setup, Stage 2's are diffinently overcamming the motor. Your probably boarderline between S1 and S2 with the mods you "plan".

10,000 rpm redline I feel is useless also. neither of the cams you are considering will develope any power 10k rpm.

 

thanks for the input guys, i'm probably going to get the S2S2 but i'm still not sure which valve springs to get, i want to be able to use it with oem retainters but i dont know if oem retainer can handle stiffer springs and higher rpm. i'm going to set the rev limit at 9.5k rpm but i want the springs to be able to handle higher rpm in case of miss shift.

 

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The OE retainers will definately handles high rpm. Problem is they are heavy, and do not like to "change direction", thus making them more likely to cause valve float.

You seem to be overly obsessed with the rev limit. I would be surprised if your power band extends much past 9000rpm

 

my rev limit is set at 9k right now, and the butt dyno says that power doesn't drop off at all after the 8400 factory reline. i'm not going to rev to 10k if it doesn't make power there, i'll just have to put it on a dyno when i complete the upgrade to see where the power band is and set the rev limit accordingly. thanks for your input though.