well I have done alot of research for the past 3 weeks ... i have searched ... i have asked questions... i have ridding in cars with both suspension...

i want to know what you guys think about the difference of the skunk2 coilovers vs. the GC's

i will be installing them at first with stock shocks cause of money issues... but what is the best coilover out of the two...

thanks

 

Chris's 98 had skunk 2's on it ask him about the ride quality

 

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This is a REALLY STUPID QUESTION because it really depends on the shocks you're using them with and the spring rates people have chosen.

Each of the Skunk2 and Ground Countrol setups are just "sleeve kits"!
Not exactly, or even like comparing Buddy Clubs to HKS, Koni, Bilstein or Apexi. Ed

 

well big money D says the skunks sucked... any opinions on the GC's

anyone?

 

i had skunk2's, they ****** suck

 

Zygspeed said it all. Take my opinion, do not put cheap skunk2/GC coilovers on a type R! They are sleeve kits and are built for a low cost method of adjustable suspension. I had them on my 2k prelude and they were horrible. They felt so loose and sloppy, and that was with a nice set of shocks, too. The only way I would lower an ITR is with fixed springs, I like my eibachs!, or a complete kit like the tein's or apexi's, where the shocks and springs are built together. These kits are not cheap but it's the only way to go on an ITR to improve an already great suspension.

 

You already know where I stand:

Ground Control &gt; Skunk2

 

Off the shelf Konis can handle up to about 500in-lb springs. Even at 500in-lb you are oversprung/underdampened, which is bad for ride quality and dampening properties.

Anything higher than that, and you are looking at revalved Koni's or other options.

The Koni/GC setup is nice b/c you can adjust height.. and is relatively budget-minded.

There are tons of coilovers out there too - from 'street' coilovers, street/track coilovers, to track coilovers. Some have height/shock length adjustability seperate from preload, some do not. It's a nice feature to have.

It's really up to you - but your question needs to be focused considerably.

 

it seems to me that if i am not gonna spend 1800 or more my suspension will suck...but i am not lookign for the best... i just want to know if the GC's will be GOOD not the BEST

but if they suck then i wont get them...

its just really hard to make any kind of choice with a car cause there is so much out there.... and eveyone has two different opinions on the same things ... so i feel lost...

 

quit asking questions and just buy something you homo.

 

then look at a GC sleeved coilover. not exactly spoon grade bling, but it gets the work done.

i'd like to use konis with them with the dampening settings internally adjustable, but the rear shocks just suck (perch too low)

with that said...

 

How anyone can tell the difference in "ride quality" or feel based on sleeve kits is beyond me. Shock damping combined with spring rates will largely affect the ride and handling charateristics of your car. Before asking questions about what sleeve kit to get, why not determine what is wrong with the stock ITR suspension. Also determine what you ultimately want a suspension other than stock to achieve for you.

I'll wager that you haven't come close to experiencing the limits of the stock suspension.

 

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I told myself this too with my H&R's...but now I just keep telling myself "blaahhh, I can just wait another 5,000 miles"

good luck on whatever you go with

 

A couple of important things to consider are:
1) why are you looking for suspension bits
2) how is the best/cost effective way of achieving those results.

Quite frankly, I was very happy with my H&R springs on my stock ITR shocks years ago. Alternatively, I'm sure Eibach makes a nice replacement/sport spring package as well.
No need to look for sleeves, conversely by replacing only the stock springs there won't be any way to change the ride height once they're in (nice and simple with a better look/drop while still being about 25-30% stiffer than stock).

It really depends on how much variability/functionality you want and whether it will be useful in achieving your own desired end result. HTH Ed

There are always more than one way to "skin a cat".

 

You shouldn't be trying to compare "ride quality" of the two. The ONLY difference you should be looking at is build quality. A spring is a spring is a spring and a 500lb skunk spring is going to RIDE the same as a 500lb GC spring.

The reason Skunk gets a bad rap is because their off-the-shelf kit comes with considerably higher spring rates than GC's off-the-shelf kit. Combine that with all the people you see throwing them on stock or cheap (i.e. illuminas) shocks and there's no wonder the ride is bad.

A smart person would be specifying exactly what spring rates they want anyway. My personal preference would be to go with GC because they carry a wider range of spring rates and because I know their springs are made by a reputable company.

 

Found this in the RoadRace forum.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=830112

 

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but if they suck then i wont get them...

its just really hard to make any kind of choice with a car cause there is so much out there.... and eveyone has two different opinions on the same things ... so i feel lost... </TD></TR></TABLE>

It all depends on the purpose for buying and your needs. You need to be more specific or no one can help you.

 

i have had numerous sets of GC's and skunks. i went with skunks on my R for a few reasons. Skunk does their spring rates a little stiffer .They are more made for drag racing IMO. i love mine , not killer stiff. but the car is stiff and goes where i want it to go and sticks there. i hav no complaints. Also still on stock shocks. i have no need to upgrade bevcause i am soo pleased with its performance.

I dont like the GC's too much , i have them on my EP now too and they are too loose for my likings.

 

Im running G/C with a 350/280 spring rates on stock shocks. Ride is like stock. I like them and dont have anything to complain about them. I couldnt go any higher with spring rates, no one can immagine what type of crappy roads we have in Malta. I dont know why some people are calling them crap, after all they use Eibach springs. Many members on this board use them.

 

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actually I have and I know what the car can do and what its resposnes are...

for everyone wanting to know what i am looking for this is it

all i want is to be able to lower the 4x4 while picking up SOME improvment while having the flexibility to adjust them... i am not looking for the mack daddy of set ups... just something good for street/occasioinal track

 

Mike,

My 98R had skunk2 coilovers on it... rode like ****. Could be due to the fact that the stock shocks were not up to the task. I would recommend you buy the ground controls and konis. That is a great budget setup.

I thought you wanted my h&r's fool?

You can have them after this weekend if you still want them.

Are you coming out with us friday night to Seabring?

 

Ground Control all the way i have them with stock spings and they ride good. for me that is

 

You guys that are ******* GC's need to try them in a performance environment before you make any further judgements.

Any "coilover" setup is going to ride like a school bus on the street with 500 lb springs or higher, and no one can deny that.

GC/Koni's will perform with any JDM "true" coilover setup you put it up against. Not to mention that the GC/Koni setup is very easy to get replacement springs for or have the Koni's revalved if need be, as they are both based in the US.

Just get soft rates on the GC if you are only getting them for street use.

Riding on 400f/500r here on the daily driver and have no complaints.

I have never regretted going with my GC/Koni setup.

Jon

 

i changed my eibach race springs at 6kg for some 8kg skunk2's in the front and its way better ride.

you know what though, it doesn't matter all the springs are to an ISO standard using a specific metal heat treated a specific way. Spring rate determines the ride quality as well as shock quality. Skunk2, Eibach, its all the same to me. I personally think H&R Race coils are superior but the price for those is something i dont wan tto pay.

maybe one spring will sag less in the long run or be less or more twitchy, but when comparing apples to apples meaning spring rate, spring diameter, spring height they should feel the same if they're of the same quality standard.

 

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I totally disagree, JON!

Buddy Clubs With a 12KF/14KR spring rate distribution (666#F and 777#R) rates were quite an inprovement in performance and ride quality over my old Bilstein HD's with 350F/500R GC's.
Both on the street and on the track.