i dont know how should i go about. b16 is running good. looking for not a fast car but something that i can be proud of.. now if i go turbo i know im getting good hp maybe atleast 13 sec but im worried about the reliablity. ive also read here on ht that na cars are better and faster than a turbo.. na is cheaper and turbo is expensive.. for turbo im looking at maybe a custom turbo maybe spent somewhere around 3500 where i can build a na car p&p, valve jobs,type r cams, gears,pistons, rods and chipped ecu for like 3000. and maybe that setup will take me atleast 13. thats not including a bottle kit for like 700. man im so confuse im not looking for a big hp gain just enough to hit 13's i h ave a 88crxhf b16.. please help me out guys. guide me.. shed me some light to the right path......

 

O boy here comes the idiots.
Everything in a idiots hands in unreliable.
Do what you want.
Both are just as reliable as the other if built properly.

 

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Everything in a idiots hands in unreliable.
Do what you want.
Both are just as reliable as the other if built properly.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well said. On that note turbo's are better This shouldn't even be a question

 

well ive heard that turbo has more chances of ruinning your engine than na.. now that could not always be the case. some of you guys will say that depends on the person using it.im not the kinna person who races and has a lead foot.but yah somewhat reliable.. and easy to maintain..and has the capability of hitting 13 high low dont matter to me as long as it hits it. lol.

 

also ive read somewhere here in ht. not sure when but it said something like
spend the same amount on a car turboing it and spend the same amount on a na car.. na will mostly own the turbo car.. not sure if this is true though..

 

drive some stupid na car

then drive a turbo car

you'll see the light

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ironchef25 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also ive read somewhere here in ht. not sure when but it said something like
spend the same amount on a car turboing it and spend the same amount on a na car.. na will mostly own the turbo car.. not sure if this is true though.. </TD></TR></TABLE>


Thats exactly opposite. It is ussually much cheaper to build a turbo car, over an NA car, for the same hp goals. For 2000 grand, you could have one badass turbo setup, using turboedit, or some ecu program, for tuning, and run 12's all day long on a stock b16a. As long as it is tuned right, the b16 can handle upwards of 300 hp at the wheels. TO reach your goal of 13's, it might actually be cheaper to do it NA, but it might not. SOme aggressive cams, with valtrain alone will cost about a grand, maybe a little less, then some decent headwork, will cost around 800 or so, and then some tuning, and your already over 2000, and only running 13's, mid to high 13's too. Boost has so much more potential, and is soooo fun.


Oh, and i built my turbo setup for around 1000 bucks, using a vafc2 and 450cc dsm injectors for feul. This setup is good for up to 11psi.

 

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Oh, and i built my turbo setup for around 1000 bucks, using a vafc2 and 450cc dsm injectors for feul. This setup is good for up to 11psi. </TD></TR></TABLE>

how did you do that??

 

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Everything in a idiots hands in unreliable.
Do what you want.
Both are just as reliable as the other if built properly.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Exactly, If you have the money, I have the knowledge.

 

&lt;---------turbo b16 crx

 

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That is not true.

A turbo motor and a NA motor BOTH have equal chances of being ruined. Lack of fuel, lack of tuning, and lack of maintenance can cause both types of motors to decrease its life.

Lets just say that if a turbo motor and a NA motor were both properly tuned and there were no problems. A turbo motor may be more reliable because you do not have have to rev as high as a NA motor to make power and puts less stress on the motor.

Remember: RPM = Ruins Peoples Motors

The higher you rev to make power, the more stress your motor undergoes.
Example: NA motors

 

bahh just go turbo, for some cheep badass turbo setups goto http://www.homemadeturbo.com

 

Turbo= $$ for power
NA=$$$$$ for power


Tubro best bang for the buck, although with a b16 you might want swap the internals for ls or ITR compresson, or you could always slap a b20 block on the B16 head

 

its all about how your car is tuned

 

can i slap a turbo on a stock internals b16? motor has about 45000 miles.
maybe boos like only 5 psi to 7

 

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then drive a turbo car

you'll see the light </TD></TR></TABLE>

werd muthafucka

boost has no equal

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kid-honda &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Do what you want.
Both are just as reliable as the other if built properly.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Agreed get a good engine management such as Hondata and your engine will be just as reliable. There is many on here with Turbo making nice power with stock internals. But they do have engine management.


Modified by SOHCV-TechRider at 10:04 PM 4/13/2004

 

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Well said. On that note turbo's are better This shouldn't even be a question </TD></TR></TABLE>

Turbo is faster and usually cost less for the power

so yea it's never really a question in my mind

If you wanna go NA get a hemi, or another big V-8

 

in order to get the power you want out of na you're definaTELY gonna need some crazy cams. this isnt all that great for daily driven cars. personally i think a turbo is better for your daily driver ( boost controller, ect.) i dont think youre tryin to adjust youre cams everytimeyou go to ther track. its really up to u. na is more expensive.

 

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maybe boos like only 5 psi to 7</TD></TR></TABLE>

this kid on my block did it
powerrevracing.com is his web site. he was sparying a 50 shot for about a year on the same motor b4 he boosted it. he ran a 14 flat in 1/4
DRAG 3 kit=$4000(rip off if you ask me)
5psi
fmu(worst fuel mangement money can buy )
untuned(no real dyno time anyway)
98 hb gutted from the backseat back

in your crx a $2000 setup should take you into the 13s easy
TUNING IS THE KEY.

 

You know... if you want an autoX track car, generally an N/A build would be the key here.

For the 1/4 mile, go for whatever, but Boost is usually preferred here... it's cheap, easy, and reliable if you do it right.

An N/A 12 sec build would be something like a B20/VTEC, with a Type R head, and bolt-ons. As for 13s, you could build an LS/VTEC, (if you do it right I assume) or you could put a NO2 kit on it, and run 12s.

I'd just get the B18C block, some nice stage 2 cams, valve train, and a port job. There you go, NA 13s, and a KICK *** AutoX motor.

But if you go turbo, just remember that they heat up fast, and they need to be taken care of.

 

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But if you go turbo, just remember that they heat up fast, and they need to be taken care of.</TD></TR></TABLE>

with what? heat wrap?

 

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with what? heat wrap?</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, they need to be checked for damage, they need fresh oil more often than N/A, and they're just going to take more time to get to be reliable.

 

It all depends on who is driving the car for it to be reliable, if some kid installs his own turbo and doesnt do it right, there goes his motor, but on the same note, it takes work to build an n/a beast, again if he doesnt do it right, boom! It all depends on if you know what you are doing, and you respect your car.