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Old Apr 9, 2004 | 10:27 PM
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Default Automatic to manual. Tehnical information suport needed.

Hi!
I'm going to buy this Acura Integra LS:


Price is wery good because automatic gearbox have some damege. I don't know what kind of. It is wery difficult to find manual gearboxes from B series 92-00 engines. Almoust inpossible. So, the question is what kind of transmision can be use on that B18B1 engine from different series engines or cars?

Need answer wery fast!!!! Please help.


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Old Apr 9, 2004 | 10:32 PM
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You can use any manual transmission from any B series engine. Also note that there is quite a bit of work involved when converting from auto to manual. The last auto to manual conversion we did took a solid day from morning until night due to the fact that we had to relocate the mounting point for the transmission mount. I think Place Racing sells a mount and mounting bracket that bolts up though. Be sure to take time to source every part that you will need (if you need a list of parts, you can search to find several lists).
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Old Apr 9, 2004 | 10:33 PM
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yeap car really looks sweet..
but the conversion try to find a crashed car so
the transition goes out smoothly...
92-93 cable tranny
94-up hydro tranny...
integra of course...
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Old Apr 9, 2004 | 10:45 PM
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I will do that swap in service center. They did to my EG hach the swap before. And they have junk jard where are a lot of parts from EG CIVIC's.

Can you guys throw the B series engine codes which are rigth for my conversion.

From Prelude 89-91 will fit?
From Accord 92-00 1.8 will fit?
All the CRV are the four wheel drive? Are they can be front wheel drive too?


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Old Apr 9, 2004 | 10:48 PM
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All the CRV are the four wheel drive.......</TD></TR></TABLE>


hey if you access to the whole set up
convert your teggy to 4wd.....
that will be really sweet....
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Old Apr 9, 2004 | 10:48 PM
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You might want to reconsider buying the car if where you live it is near impossible to find a B series manual gearbox, (though by your post it is unclear if you want to go with a manual or stay with the automatic) I think your asking if there are any other series gearboxes that might be compatible with your b18b motor. The answer to the best of my knowledge would be no. D, H, and K series gearboxes all correspond to their series of motors in the honda family.
If you are getting an absolutely rock bottom price on the car, then go ahead and do it cause if worst comes to worst you can buy and entire junked integra like MR. beeks suggested. But if the price is not rock bottom and you want a 5 speed integra, you would be best to wait till another opportunity presented itself for a car that is more like what you want in terms of drivetrain.
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Old Apr 9, 2004 | 11:14 PM
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So, I will explain.

I have now Eg Hatch with B16A2. Want to change something in my life, I konw, that moust of you will say, not to do that, but I want to sell that hatch.

The good think is, that I can sell my hach without that B16 engine. Engine will stay to my self. I have the client allready to my hatch. So, we deal, that I will give him that B18B1 engine. So, what he need is manual transmision. We have two cars with B engines. One with manual other with automaic transmision. I want Teg he want my EG.

Pluss I have allready complite B20Z1 engine block which waiting for my B16 head. If I will by that teg, it will B20/B16 VTEC with 5 speed manual. I need that F**King manual transmision to my friend who will buy my hatch.

The Integra seller ir third person who have only interest in money. The integra price is 3000 USD. I can beat that that price till 2500$. I live in Europe, we have only 10 cars like that in our country. 4 cars Type-R other LS. This only one in black color.


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Old Apr 10, 2004 | 12:03 AM
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ok, now I understand. I only have experience with converting an automatic crx to manual a while back which was cable tranny-fewer parts, but I got this info off this website, and it might help though it's not very technical: http://www.torontocivics.com/a....html

"Article - Auto-to-Manual Conversion (Hydro Tranny)

Posted September 14, 2001 by Jugglez

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Alright first off, this is NOT a "how-to" on manual conversions, this is simply a guide to help you through the process. Outlined below are the parts involved, most of the steps required, and tid bits of information to help you along the way.

There has been debate over whether an auto-to-manual conversion is even worth the time and money, but I will not get into that here. This article deals with a hydraulic tranny conversion, all '92-up Honda Civic's use a hydraulic transmission, while pre-'92 Honda Civic's use a cable tranny. Please keep that in mind.

Well, having gone through this conversion myself while doing my motor swap at the same time, I can tell you that converting from auto to manual is no easy process. Collecting the parts was time consuming, and getting the parts installed turned out to be a much greater task. I contacted 6 reputable local shops for install quotes, and 5 of them didn't even want to do it. "...too time consuming..." and "...too much work..." was what they said. One shop owner said it would take him 3 weeks to complete the job! Fortunately for me I did find a shop that was willing to do it, and they were experienced at it too!

So let's begin!

Subject vehicle: '92 Honda Civic Ex Sedan, D15B7 motor, automatic D series tranny, stock auto ECU
Engine Swap and Auto-to-Manual Conversion: B18B1 motor, manual LS tranny, and stock manual ECU from a '95 Integra RS
Here are the parts you will need for the tranny conversion:

Manual tranny
Manual ECU
Shift linkage
Intermediate shaft for manual tranny
Clutch/brake/gas pedal assembly
Clutch master cylinder
Clutch reservoir
Clutch slave cylinder
Hydro clutch lines
Shift ****
Shift boot


Manual tranny - you'll need the entire manual transmission including the clutch disc, flywheel, pressure plate, and bearings. If you are doing a motor swap at the same time, hopefully it will already be attached to the new motor, making the install easier. For my swap, I used a stock USDM B18B1 (LS) tranny from a '95 Teg RS.

Manual ECU - this is not completely necessary but is HIGHLY recommended. The auto ecu will work (given that it's the correct one for your motor), however you will run into problems with your speed governor and/or rev limiter. In 4th gear, you'll hit fuel cut-off much sooner than you should. Not a good thing when you're zooming down the 1/4 mile! I used a stock B18B1 manual ecu for my application.

Shift linkage - you'll need the entire shift linkage assembly for your specific application. Since I was going with an Integra motor and tranny, I opted for a shift linkage from a 2000 Integra GSR. Which turned out to be a wise choice. The GSR shift linkage is much better suited for "spirited" driving as compared to the regular Integra shift linkage.

Clutch/Brake/Gas pedal assembly - the clutch pedal is obviously a must, however you will probably want to get the manual brake and gas pedal assembly as well, since the automatic ones are larger and are placed very close together. They also don't provide that sporty race feel that every auto enthusiast craves so much.

Intermediate shaft for manual tranny - it's very important that you get the intermediate shaft (or half shaft) for the MANUAL tranny! The shaft for the auto tranny is not the same. For my motor swap and tranny conversion, I went with both drive shafts from a '95 GSR.

Clutch master cylinder, slave cylinder, reservoir - these can be picked up as a package at a Honda dealership or any used Japanese auto parts store. I got these parts used from a 3rd generation Integra.

Hydro clutch lines - these can be had cheaply by salvaging them off a wrecked vehicle. Or they can be fabricated using thin copper piping that can be bought at Home Depot for $20 bucks or less.

Shift **** - you can easily drive a manual without the shift ****, but why would you want to? Any aftermarket shift **** will work. I recommend Skunk2 or Razo.

Shift boot - now here comes the tricky part: getting the shift boot to fit around your new shifter. Once you get the shifter and shift linkage in place, the opening around the shifter is quite large thanks to the removal of your old automatic face plate. A regular shift boot isn't large enough to cover up this opening. There is a solution however, you can attack this problem one of three ways:
***1) Buy a universal shift boot or have one custom made to the proper dimensions and then glue the boot into place. Be careful though, things can get messy!!
***2) Buy a whole new center console. But make sure you buy one that is suited for your vehicle and is for a manual! And also make sure the console comes with the shift boot holder. This way the regular shift boot for your ride can slide right in.
***3) Say to hell with the shift boot! It won't be pretty but hey, if you're all about performance, who cares?
By the way, I opted for 3), simply because there were more important things to worry about. Getting the shift boot installed is something that can be taken care of later anyways.

If you buy everything above from a Honda dealership, expect to pay high prices. The best places to get these parts at a reasonable price are salvage yards, used auto parts stores, and believe it or not, online classifieds.

In addition, if your vehicle is equipped with the automatic lever position icons on the gauge cluster, you may want to either remove those bulbs behind the guages so they can't light up (cheap way) or you can get your self a brand new gauge cluster without the lever icons (expensive way). Or you can just leave it alone, which is what I did. The lever position icon on my gauge cluster is always in the "Park" ([P]) position.

Needles to say, you will need patience if you want this done right the 1st time. Just collecting all these parts took me over a month. The tranny and ecu came with the new motor, so those were taken care of. But everything else was bought seperately.
When all was said and done, the entire motor swap and tranny conversion took about 3 working days to complete. The car rides as smooth as stock, and appears to be stock until you peer at the guage cluster while going 120km/h only to see the automatic lever icon set at [P]. Personally, I think the time and money spent was well worth it. I will never go back to auto again!!


Well, that's the skinny on an auto-to-manual conversion. Please keep in mind that the info above is based on my own experiences and may not be totally accurate for other vehicles, especially non-Honda's. As always, you should do extensive research before taking on a project as complex as this one. And if you do decide to do the conversion yourself, try to do it with someone who has done it before.

[Update Dec. 2002] For those looking to do a manual conversion only (no engine swap) on either a 5th gen or 6th gen Civic, you may need a manual transmission mount. There have been cases where the auto mount can be modified to fit, however there have been conflicting reports. Some have been able to do this with success while others have not. Trial and error may be required. Why does it work on some and not others? I don't know for certain, my guess would be the flaws in the original manufacturing process of the mount and/or bracket. In my case, the stock B-series tranny mount was fitted with washer inserts to straighten the motor's position. Everything worked out fine.

For more info on auto-to-manual conversions, visit http://hybrid.honda-perf.org. An article can be found here.
Special Thanks to:
- Camille (T.O.tegs) for hooking me up with the B18B1 motor and tranny, and for helping me find some of the parts. Thanks man!
- Ken Wong (KS-R) and all the boys at Kustom Sport Racing for hooking me up with the install. Couldn't have done it without you guys!
- Vince (BB1-4WS) and Darren (BB1DMC) at MotoWerX for doing my post swap tune-up, just in time for St. Thomas! Thanks guys"

Now I would make sure you have sourced all the proper parts before completing the transaction for your DC, or someone will be left in limbo with an unfinished car. Patience and planning............good luck
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Old Apr 10, 2004 | 12:31 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DCcliffjumper2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Now I would make sure you have sourced all the proper parts before completing the transaction for your DC, or someone will be left in limbo with an unfinished car. Patience and planning............good luck </TD></TR></TABLE>


Thank's, this will wery much help.

Scenario can be laike that. I will take all the parts from my Hatch. And instal everything on Integra. There must be everything OK because I have all the parts.

Second thing is my EG hatch and new ovner. He do not have.
Manual Transmision
Internediate axle from manual B series.
Clutch
flywheel
Cluch basket

All other that swap service have, I know that.
From the list from up, there is two thinks which I don't know where to get, Manual transm and Flywheel.
Flywheel, clucth from CRV B20 I can get. They must fit.


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Old Apr 10, 2004 | 07:54 AM
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you're welcome.
update this thread as you go through the process and complete..........maybe some pics too
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Old Apr 13, 2004 | 04:59 AM
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IT IS NOW MY TEGY. All the documents on my name now.


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Old Apr 13, 2004 | 05:00 AM
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Pic tomorow.
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Old Apr 13, 2004 | 06:42 AM
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Congrats.
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Old Apr 13, 2004 | 07:48 AM
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great.....looking forward to the pics.

Were you able to get all the parts you needed?
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Old Apr 13, 2004 | 09:33 AM
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Tomorow will start:

Removing the B18B1 engine. Automatic transm. allready uninstaled.
Dashboard removing.
Autmatic gearshift removing and manual instal.
Removing old pedals to manual and hydraulic cluch line instal.

It will starting tomorow. I'm looking now for another car, because must run to job every morning 30 miles. Still with my hatch(not my anymore), need swap out my B16A2 engine from hatch for B20Z1 block.
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Old Apr 13, 2004 | 09:54 AM
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I also did the automatic to 5-speed swap in my Integra long ago. Basically everyone has it right so far. Only thing I noticed, is no one mentioned the starter. You need a starter from a 5-speed car. The automatic one won't fit. The bolt holes are like 1cm off.
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Old Apr 13, 2004 | 10:18 AM
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Hmm, I was thinking about that today. I don't have the manual gearbox now, hope to buy in this week. Then will see. Thank's anyway.
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 10:55 AM
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The pedals and transmision hydraulic line today was instaled. It was easy. Direct swap, everythink bolt in place without modification. We use the original automatic acselerator and brake pedal mount, just swap the break pedal beam from manual civic. In the cluch pedal mount place was somekind of relay, so it must be replaced in different place, cluch pedal was mounted without any problems.

For now everything OK. Only still do not have manual gearbox and starter. Searching. Must find till fraiday.

We will make some pics tomorow in the evening. Can't get the digital camera.
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Old Apr 16, 2004 | 05:01 PM
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look forward to seeing pics and reading more
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Old Apr 16, 2004 | 08:20 PM
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just got done doin the auto to manual conversion in my teg everything bolts on except for where the auto shifter goes you have to cut out because their is a piece that comes lower so the manual shift linkage wont fit other than that everything is bolt on oh and you probably wont have reverse lights cus of the harness change
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Old Apr 17, 2004 | 05:39 AM
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Here some pics:

B16A2:




B20Z-under construction


Sorry, about so small pics.


As I wrote, some time back. I have the forget wheels which are the same as Spoon SW388, but my wheels are from Russia. There is that real manufacture which made the wheels for JGTC and Spoon.


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Old Apr 17, 2004 | 06:32 AM
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good pics.
Is that your old hatch in the background?
good choice of wheels
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Old Apr 17, 2004 | 06:53 AM
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My old hatch is here:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=789334
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Old Apr 17, 2004 | 06:55 AM
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The Guy on pic not me, he is new owner of hatch. I was making the picture with camera.
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Old Apr 17, 2004 | 09:29 AM
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don't buy the tranny mount from Place Racing, they dicked me over really bad. But it from http://www.jdmshit.com, It was an easy transaction and shittped to my house in 4 days.
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