Is it possible to get a cd motor to perform about the same as an civic si? If so how much would it cost, and would my mpg drop significantly from the 40/43 I'm seeing now? I think I saw a thread on this earlier, but when you try to search for "cx" the search engine omits it because it is to small, so if anyone has the link to that post please let me know what it is.

Thanks

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jerm001 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is it possible to get a cd motor to perform about the same as an civic si? If so how much would it cost, and would my mpg drop significantly from the 40/43 I'm seeing now? I think I saw a thread on this earlier, but when you try to search for "cx" the search engine omits it because it is to small, so if anyone has the link to that post please let me know what it is.

Thanks</TD></TR></TABLE>


Well on a note you might not like.........MT sucks.................here is another thing you wont like.............swapping the engine will be cheaper than trying to make that CX engine fast. Swap it for a b16 or even a b18 or b20............

 

swaping is an issue, parents don't exactly agree with me, you know how parents can be some times. And yes, MT can suck sometimes, but the snowboarding, backpacking and other outdoor stuff is pretty awsome along with the beutiful scenery in the western parts of the state. As for eastern montana yes it definitaly does suck, nothing but flat farmland.

 

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My ex girlf friend is from sidney MT and it blows, on a lighter note get a job make money and do the swap on your own. just keep it sexy.

 

about how much would a swap cost me, I don't want anything extremely fast, just something that has a little bit more power than my current 70hp, also what would the mpg be.

p.s I have a job, and bought my car, should make around 4,000 more this summer, what could I accomplish with that amount?

 

You can get a good b16 swap for around 2k, thats about 160-170hp depending on montor. lets not forget about the b18a or b for cheap. also lets not forget how shitty sidney MT is.

 

when you say 2k, is that just the motor, or would that include install cost? transmission? if not how much extra would that cost, and will the car still be as reliable as it is now with a swap?

 

oh yea, any clue on what kind of mpg I would get with that?

 

so no one has that link to that on thread earlier about wantingmore power with a cx?

 

The main problem with the cx motor is that it is running off of 8 valves...not much potential there. If your parents are sticklers for the swap, perhaps they will be more inclined to allow you to swap your head and transmission. Called the "mini me," these motors don slightly higher compression and a tad better performance than the d16z6, the motor found in the 5 gen civic si. There is an extensive write up done by BauleyCivic on this board, as well as a large SOHC upgrades thread. Do some searching and enjoy!


Eric

 

MINI-ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ps: 8 valve motor sux *** my DD hatch is SOO SLOW!

 

get the second gen ZC engine. It makes 130 HP, has equal length drive shafts, bolts right up to the 5th gen chassis, and is under a 1000 dollars. Your choice is clear. Give hmotorsonline.com a call. They can hook u up.

 

if you want a cheap upgrades, get a 92-95 civic DX/EX/SI header and intake manifold.

your absolute next upgrade should be a DX/SI/EX tranny.

then go with a head/ecu.

the power diff from that would be like night and day

 

Cheapest, easiest upgrade?

1992-1995 Civic DX engine. I believe it's a D15B7. It's 102hp, and you won't have any wires to add at all. DX tranny is also an upgrade over the shitty CX/VX tranny.

Best upgrade without breaking the bank?

1992-1995 Civic Si/EX D16Z6. 125hp and more torque because it's a 1.6L, not a 1.5L. Best tranny too.

As someone already stated the CX/VX tranny is horrible for acceleration. It's ideal for mpg, but it sucks *** if you want the car to be quick.

Those two are the best swaps that would stay well under $1,000.00 total. You can use your stock CX axles, shift linkage, and accessories like alternator, mounts, etc.

B series swaps START at about $1,850.00 for a B16A "second gen" swap. What many people don't think of is that these swaps 99% of the time are lacking axles, shift linkage, wiring harness, exhaust manifold, throttle cable, mounts and/or brackets, radiotor hoses, etc. JDM swaps are almost always incomplete because they are cut out of cars most of the time.

All of those misc. items can easily add up to make the whole swap cost over $2,300-$2,500.00 or so PLUS labor.

Yes the B16A will rape the **** out of the D15B7 and D16Z6, but it also costs more. IMO it is worth it, but to others they cannot or will not afford the B series stuff.

I've got a semi-built D16A6 (88-91 Si 1.6L SOHC engine) in a 1990 hatchback and I love it, but I know it's limitations because I also have a 1992 Si hatchback with a B16A2 swap, and a 1992 CX with a B18C5 swap. It would take a good bit of work to get that D16Z6 to the same horsepower levels of a B16A, and trust me a intake, header, and exhaust are NOT going to make it happen.

Building a D16Z6 with higher CR pistons and adding a nice cam would be the best start, but unless you can build an engine and have the time, know-how, and tools I say get a swap.

Boosting a D series will almost certainly kick a B16A's ***, but it costs more money than a lot of people think and boosted D series engines will never be as reliable as a stock B series - PERIOD.

Somebody show me some 100,000K+mileage boosted D series engines - ain't gonna happen. Anything even close to being reliable as a stock B will be on low boost and slower than a stockish B series.

What's your budget?

 

BTW:

The amount of trouble you'll go through to get that stock CX engine near the 125hp stock ratings of a D16Z6 will not be worth it IMO.

 

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Somebody show me some 100,000K+mileage boosted D series engines - ain't gonna happen. Anything even close to being reliable as a stock B will be on low boost and slower than a stockish B series.
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I have to disagree here. I've run my turbo setups for close to 2 years at 8 psi, which is MUCH quicker than a B16 swap and have little to no problems with them at all. Maintenance and the quality of your stuff has a LOT to do with how reliable it is.

Also, I've put nearly 20k on my motor, to get it up to 115k+ and it's still reliable.

 

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1992-1995 Civic DX engine. I believe it's a D15B7. It's 102hp, and you won't have any wires to add at all.</TD></TR></TABLE>

what about the 4wire o2? not all the civics came prewired

 

I'd say my budget right now is around 2,000, or at least it will be in about 2 to 3 months, I don't want anything extremely fast, just something a little more than the cx engine, that goes about 45-50 up some hills on the highway

"1992-1995 Civic Si/EX D16Z6. 125hp and more torque because it's a 1.6L, not a 1.5L. Best tranny too."

About how much would this cost, including labor? also do you have any idea about what Kind of gas mileage I would be getting?

thanks

 

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Then pick up a D16z6 motor/tranny. It'll bolt right in with little wiring and be faster than your CX motor.

 

i have a cx and i have swapped to a dx head. i am have that 4wire o2 issue, i need to buy one and wire it up.

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=807907

this might be it too

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=821611

 

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this might be it too

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=821611</TD></TR></TABLE>

noticed in your sig.
try putting 2" pipes or even throwing a cat back in.. you might get better gains. you need some restriction on that poor dx/lx motor/trans

 

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what about the 4wire o2? not all the civics came prewired </TD></TR></TABLE>

Assuming one buys a D15B7 with the engine harness, there should be no wires to add.

 

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I have to disagree here. I've run my turbo setups for close to 2 years at 8 psi, which is MUCH quicker than a B16 swap and have little to no problems with them at all. Maintenance and the quality of your stuff has a LOT to do with how reliable it is.

Also, I've put nearly 20k on my motor, to get it up to 115k+ and it's still reliable. </TD></TR></TABLE>

This could be an entirely different topic, but here goes real quick:

20K is nothing like 100K. I've seen God knows how many 100K+ B series engines through my shop that have been driven hard a ****, not maintaned well, etc. that are still running great. The same cannot be said of nearly every turbo'd Honda. You can argue this until you're blue in the face, but until you show me at least 5 boosted SOHC engines that laid down over 150whp that have logged 100k miles with little or no problems, it's not much more than theory.

You know me pretty well. I respect your set-up and your opinion, but i must respectfully disagree on this matter. Boosted SOHC engines will not take the type of abuse a good old stock B series will.

Case in point?

My fiancee's B16A2 must be nearing 80k miles. It's been in her car for 4 years with absolutely no problems whatsoever. It has been driven hard most of it's life (we baby it now) and it doesn't use a single drop of oil between changes and has never once given us the slightest problem.

My B18C5 has logged over 65K, 30K of which were by me. I certainly haven't been easy on the engine in terms of easy driving. I keep it up to date on all maintenance, but it stays in VTEC and it has seen the backside of 9200rpm on occasion when mis shifted by accident. (My V-AFC logs the highest rpm per drive.)

These are not things I could have done with a boosted SOHC - period.