Hey everyone hope your racing season starts out great! I have a question tho. I just picked up Koni Yellows to pair with my Skunk2 coilovers. From what I've been reading in the search's, I need a ring adapter? This ring goes between the coilover sleeve and the perch, correct? Where can i buy this ring and how much does it cost? Oh and do i really need it or can i use the "cup" that attaches to the perch? Does anyone have pictures too, cause im confused as to why i need this ring. Thanks!!!

 

Slide the Skunk2 sleeves over the Koni Yellows and then come back and ask this question again.

 

I wanted an answer, because I dont want the koni's to come in then try to install then go, "oh ****, it doesnt work, guess i'll have to do this next week when the parts come in" (btw, im in college so i dont want to take too much time out to redo things). I'm just trying to get all the research done now so i dont have to repeat mistakes. Thanks!!!

 

In all likeliness YOU DO NEED A RING ADAPTER to make up the difference between the outer diameter of the Koni shock and the inner diameter of the Skunk2 sleeve.

You could probably measure the differences with a caliper if you had one.
Furthermore, you already seem to already know you need a adapter ring .... so what's your "real" question?

P.S. I would have just called someone at Skunk or the distributor I was getting it from.


Modified by zygspeed at 7:44 PM 4/3/2004

 

Where do i get this ring adapter from??? I've searched koni's site and skunk2's site but they dont have much info on there. thanks!

 

anyone that can get skunk2 parts can get the rings for you, i believe they are 15bucks a pair. My friend got them from http://www.robearracing.com , they said he only needed 2 for the rear so thats what he got.

 

i just ordered the adaptors from skunk2 this week. they're listed at the bottom of the coilover application page. the person i ordered them from didn't mention whether you needed them on fronts or rears, but i can't see how you would need them on one but not the other. i ordered two pairs, came to like $42. if you're using coilover sleeves, you do not need the cup thingees (good thing too, they're not exactly light weight). i will post pics when i throw them on next weekend.

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i don't know what this means, but if i find out that i don't need these adaptors after all, i'm going to be angry.

 

Ok, I just emailed both Koni and Skunk2. Keep in mind i have the old skunkworks coilover sleeves and this is for a 91 HONDA ACCORD.

Koni reply's
"You will need adapter rings for the coilover setup when using the Konis. The spring seat that we use is not welded to the body of the shock and
is not designed to support a coilover sleeve. You should be able to get
an adapter ring from Skunk2 though to work with our shocks. Thanks for
writing."

Skunk2 reply's
"The adapter rings are usually only for the Civic and Integra. The KONI's
will work. "

Who do i believe???

 

I would believe Koni....just my opinion.

 

from the skunk2 website:

Koni Coilover Ring Adapter

Integra 1990-2001 599-99-0690 $20.00
Accord 1990-2002 599-99-0690 $20.00
Civic 1988-200 599-99-0690 $20.00
Prelude 1992-2001 599-99-0690 $20.00

do you want me to install them for you too?

 

YES-you do need the rings. Looks like a washer with a groove machined on one side for the C-clip. Order from Koni-not cheap,and from skunk2 not cheap either. You really do need them. I think (if memory serves me) one set of the shocks should have them in the box. Don't use the stamped pieces-they are for regular springs.

 

Ok, i've emailed coximport, Robear Racing, and another site, and they are out of stock. I've searched google for the "koni ring adapter" but not many sites sell them. Does anyone know where else i can buy them from that has them in stock? thanks!!!

 

We stock the ring at Koni, or at least a ring that Skunk thinks is acceptable even though it is not desogned for this specifically. The ring is included in the rear KONI shocks of a 92-00 Civic/94-01 Integra and is made to be a platform for the stock cup shaped rear Honda spring perch to sit on.

It is a peeve of mine that they make a sleeve kit that doesn't really fit the shock that well then send people to Koni expecting them to get the ring and cross apply it to a list of cars and expect us to carry and stock a part that we normally wouldn't simply because they don't want to bother fully developing and manufacturing all of the parts required by their design. I have told them that myself and oddly haven't had a lot of dialogue with the company in recent years.

You can buy this Civic rear ring from us (I don't recall the part number of price) but I honestly can't tell you how well it works. I can tell you that it works very well for what it is designed for but don't know if the rest of the Skunk parts really fit on it properly. They have been telling people to use it for several years.

 

i can't believe i just paid $40 for four of these.



i was hoping for something, well, better. maybe more like the ground control part, which i believe is recessed underneath so it fits over the koni circlip to keep it from expanding/opening. i hope to get to the install in the next weekend or so, i'll keep you all posted.

why are some of you claiming i'd only need two as opposed to four? the koni sports i have all have similar looking bodies (front vs rear) from what i recall, and would need something like this to prevent the skunk sleeve from sliding over the circlip.

and to D21X, are you not reading what i'm typing? call ******* skunk2 already. in the time this post has been alive, i've ordered them and received them FROM SKUNK2 AKA GROUP A MOTORSPORTS.

 

If memory serves me-the Koni supplied rings are about $8 each shipped.
CRXLee-they work just fine on my CRX with the Skunk sleeves. As has been discussed before-skunk2 uses O-rings to center their sleeves on the shock and the way you doo it means that you must get the lower one positioned so that the sleeves is actually resting on the adapter. Then you put the upper O-ring inside the sleeve; at least that is how I did it and the fit is perfect. I have used several combinations of Skunk sleeve/Koni shocks without any negative effects.
I will agree that the Ground control/Koni setup is superior in engineering thought as to the specific application of sleeve to shock. One MUST tell GC that they ar using Koni shocks so that the recess can be machined.
Just my experience of late

 

For future reference, just incase anyone has the same problems i do. You need all 4 ring adapters. You can order directly from Koni for $7 each. The phone number is listed on http://www.koni-na.com The majority of the websites i've searched do not have them and do not stock them. Thanks for the help everyone!!!

 

I didn't use any adaptors with my Koni/Skunk2 set-up on my EK hatch. I only used the hardware was supplied with the OTS Koni's and the O-rings that were supplied with the Skunk2 coilovers. I've had no ill effects in over a year of daily driving and track use, so I'm not quite sure why any sort of adaptor would be needed. Can someone tell me why I'd need to change my set-up?

 

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I did not know that Skunk was making these parts, that is good. I am concerned that I do not see a groove machined in one side to swallow and capture the Koni circlip. AMybe the photo is not that good or the rings shown just have the grooves facing down and out of sight.

If these rings don't have grooves specifically machined to catprure the top and expecially side of the Koni circlips, DO NOT USE THEM. Capturing the circlip and keeping to from expanding under load is the one and only function that the must do. Without the groove, it is a matter of time until it fails and the clock is ticking.

 

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i was really hoping you weren't going to say that. i'm pretty sure i had pm'd you once about this very topic before, lee - there was no mention of such a koni part at the time.

they're totally flat, no groove or recess whatsoever.

now i'm pissed.

 

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they're totally flat, no groove or recess whatsoever.
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I can't beleive it...or maybe I can. Send them back them contact me.

 

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That's not an image I want to think about concerning a suspension component

 

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Anyone have any insight here? Thanks in advance.

 

AS CRXLee said-Do not use the rings if they don't have the machined groove. Mine came from Koni and have the groove. If memory serves me (again ) one pair of shocks came with the rings and cups but the other pair did not. Skunk supplies a hardened piece that fits on the bottom of the sleeve-don't use it and the stamped perches. ONLY use the Koni adaptors under the sleeves. This has worked perfect for me on each of our cars.
I too would be concerned about the effect of a flat plate sitting on the C-clip. If you look carefully at the stamped perches you will notice they even have a recess. The problem with using them according to Skunk is that the sleeve is not on a flat surface. The instructions actually warn that the sleeve can split so they supply the hardened add-on. Go figure.

 

i solved my own problem with a trip to the garage.

it's all about this silver ring that was already on the konis.



it sits snug over the circlip, and the skunk adaptor ring rest cleanly on it.






in summation, the overpriced skunk2 koni adaptor ring will work for your civic/teg/accord/etc if and only if you have the circlip rings supplied by koni.

 

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i solved my own problem with a trip to the garage.

it's all about this silver ring that was already on the konis.


it sits snug over the circlip, and the skunk adaptor ring rest cleanly on it.

in summation, the overpriced skunk2 koni adaptor ring will work for your civic/teg/accord/etc if and only if you have the circlip rings supplied by koni.

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good job.

I had run into the same problem, but instead of the recess not being there, they were too large for the sleeve to slide over. I had to find a machine shop locally that would make them smaller.