Hey guys I was wondering what kind of headers you guys have on your ludes, I think imam geta lot of DCs....but i was looking into mugen , spoon , and the new jun piece, but they all cost too much and i rather have that money towards cams....so i was lookin into the jdm prelude type s headers and i need feedback on it like what kind of gains it make and if it requires modification to my catconverter. Thanks

 

Spoon makes a header for a lude? I've been slacking on my car part hunts. A friend of mine has a DC and he loves it. I'll probably go with Greddy b/c I already have the exhaust. If you don't have emmisions testing get a test pipe made to replace the cat.

 

Hi laughin2.2 thanks for your reply
Yeah.....spoon makes a 4-2 without downpipe for ludes....gay huh? Anyways...Greddy makes only for your model....not the 5th gen....SUPPOSEDLY they are coming out with one....but the release dates not stable as it has been changed time and time again. I dunno if i shoudl slack on headers tho cuz I believe the type of gains are tremendous...dun get me wrong guys it wont compare to NoS hehe but what i want to emphasize is that the design of the header is very important...and the port and polish job on it...etc. My friend used to have a comptech on his Gs-R and once he swapped in the JDM type r 4-1 he felt the power gain in the top end at once.....anybody experienced with the jdm prelude type s headers? Thanks

 

JDM Type S headers are nearly Identical to the reg 5th Gen headers from what I understand.. Its not a huge difference like between the USDM ITR header and the JDM ITR header.. Mugen is your best bet.. Its about the only header that will produce decent results, other than a custom SMS or Hy-tech header.. good luck..

 

Mugen

 

I agree. If you have the coin, get Mugen. I don't think SMS or Hytech have headers ready for the H22A yet...but I could be wrong.

 

They make them special order.. for what you are doing, truly custom!


[Modified by Honda318dx, 9:52 PM 10/25/2001]

 

If you have a 5th gen Prelude, I would save my money and just get the cams if I were you. The DC/Neuspeed header will give you marginal gains over the stock header on a 5th gen Prelude. But if you have a 4th gen, the DC/neuspeed header would be a more worthwhile purchase.

The Mugen header has been dyno proven by the infamous Nam D. Vo to give 5whp more than the DC header on a 5th gen...

With reguard to your question about the cat... I have the Mugen header. I had to modify the cat heat shields to get it to fit due to the larger flanges on the Mugen piece. It bolts right up to the stock cat after that.

Andrew

 

But is that 5whp worth the extra 500 bucks you have to pay for the Mugen over the DC??

 

**** yeah it is.... and you get a Mugen badge. Who the hell doesn't want to pimp a Mugen badge? Hell, it'd never even make it to my car, I'd hang it on my wall like a plaque.

 

Sports Compact Car had an article on headers way back. The test subject was a teggy. They tested all the stuff from pacesetter to Mugen. All of them averaged around 3-4hp. They said Dc SS gave the best result they have dyno charts on em all. The mugen one actually gave less then the Dc sports one, and cost a hell of alot more loot.
But...that was a while back it you can get some dnyo numbers or something to prove it, It's not worth the money to spend that much for a couple horsepower. Spend that money on a set of cams or something else.

 

Thanks for all your replies!

Yeah....see thas what i was thinking about doing with 1K.....getting the cams first, then valve springs, then retainers....then cam gears....worry about headers later...exhaust....port the head and throttle body, etc...cuz I'm also trying to buy the OEM kit but can't seem to find a place with a great deal.

 

I disagree with your rationale. You can't correlate the results of a test one manufacturer's GS-R header application to the same manufacturer's Prelude header application... Regardless of how great DC's B18 header is, DC's H22a header on a 5th gen Prelude has been shown to give marginal gains (1 - 4hp) - especially on the 1999+ models that benefit from a redesigned header/A-pipe...

Andrew

 

Plenty of people will pay $500 for the typical cat-back exhuast that yields a gain 5whp or less...

Andrew

 

That comparison doesn't even apply to the prelude. The Mugen header they had for the Teg was a 4-1 design and it kicked everyones *** (it gained over 10 hp) on the top end but it did lose quite a bit of low end power. The mugen header for the prelude is a 4-2-1 design (totally different from the teg one) so you cannot draw any comparison between the two. Personally I wouldn't buy the DC one just because of the mild steel flanges and the horror stories I've heard about the O2 sensor bung. Plus I think most things that DC makes are crap.

Gabe

 

I'm the only one I've heard who HASN't had a problem out of my DC. But I'll never get another one, that's for sure.

 

me too

 

*cough, cough* kiwi *cough* turbo manifold *cough, cough*

Gabe

 

you caught on to that huh? lol

 

aklucsarits

My car is totally stock.. how much power gain should i expect to gain just from the Mugen Header itself?

 

I don't know. Power-wise I only have the Mugen Header and Mugen cat-back. I also removed my intake resonator from the stock airbox. If nothing else my car sounds a lot faster. I did a bone-stock dyno last spring. Sometime soon I will be doing another dyno to see what just the Mugen parts will gain...

You will definitely feel at least mid-range gains with just the Mugen header. Plus it will sound really cool...

Andrew

 

My bad guys didn't mean to compare a Teggy to a Lude, just a bad decision I was umm....drunk, Yeah thats it I was drunk and could barley write. Lude have more displacement then teggies so of course the gains would be different. But even so I was trying to say, Even if it is a big name brand regardless of the car the DcSports was still the best header.

 

Now you need to clarify that statement cause the "best" is a very subjective word. The "best" header in terms of overall (average) gain through the powerband was DC while the "best" gaining header was the Mugen one.

Gabe

 

It all depends on what you want....I was gonna get the dc 4-2-1 stainless last yr but got second thots when i found out that those flanges werent stainless like the rest of the header....and i live in la jolla, i can taste salt in the misty mornins here...so im really scared about it rusting....According to the article, they said that the records on the dc could be off since i was conducted on a diff day....the mugen they used was a 4-1 design which i believe is proven to be ONE of the best headers in the market to make top end power....now...like i said, depends on waht u want....if u want top end then u will lose some low-mid end...thas just how things work. anyways i gotta take my gf out to lunch so cant continue , lates

 

I also haven't heard any horror stories about the O2 sensor bung. Can you clarify this, Gabe?

But I do agree with your latter statement, even though their header provides for a nice looking engine bay, not to mention the weight savings, too!