Has anyone experienced and power gains with one inside a CAI? ...some peeps say they work others say save ur money...i had one on my stock air box when i bought my car...is it worth it combined with a CAI...

 

umMMmmM No

 

sorry bud...doesnt do anything.

 

Tornado = Ricer's bragging rights

 

Theoretically, they should only benefit TB-injected or carb'd engines that have wet manifolds. The tornado is supposed to help with fuel atomization and distribution.

Dry manifolds do not benefit from it and it's a flow restriction regardless of the application.

 

i am one one the furthest people from being a ricer and i have one in my SR intake. it has worked better for my fuel economy (atleast in my car) i cant quote from anyone elses experience. but i do want to ask all the people who say its crap, have YOU tried it as well to form this oninion or are you just saying that to go with the crowd like most of the time?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dohc VTEC eaaater &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i am one one the furthest people from being a ricer and i have one in my SR intake. it has worked better for my fuel economy (atleast in my car) i cant quote from anyone elses experience. but i do want to ask all the people who say its crap, have YOU tried it as well to form this oninion or are you just saying that to go with the crowd like most of the time? </TD></TR></TABLE>

i know two people who have tried them, one the electrial one that actually spins and the other that is a solid piece, both said they are worthless. so nope...not going with the crowd on this one

 

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Results will vary depending upon a number of factors including the tuning of each particular car, what other mods are done, and how each is driven, elevation, etc so it's possible that you have experienced a positive result where others would have experienced it differently.

As a matter of fact, I have tried them. On all three cars I tried it on, there was no noticable difference in gas milage and on the dyno, it costs us (on average) between 1 and 2 horsepower.

-Kendall, who doubts he still has those dyno charts, but is checking anyway.

 

Well simple physics tells me that it might help with power down low. Really really low, But on any engine revving past 2 grand it will become a restriction and you will loose HP.

 

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But do you know how it works? And what (bad) it does to the air flow?

You don't want the air to be "swirling" around. That tornado will be causing turbulence inside your intake manifold. That's of course if you have it placed right before the throttle body. If you have it placed at the end of your intake right after the filter, then I'd imagine it wouldn't really be affecting anything at all. Anyone else see it this way? IN VTEC explained it very well why it does not work.

There are just some things some of us don't need to try out to find out that it won't net us a significant gain, if any. This is one of them.

 

Wasnt there a post about this a while back, that also had a dyno plot and it showed that **** actually made you lose 1hp? I remember seeing it a while back.

Edit: Here's a site that tried out the "electric supercharger"
http://www.homemadeturbo.com/t....html


Conclusion: It doesnt work. I wish this crap would stop. I swear, i run into someone at least twice a month saying theyre gonna buy that stupid Tornado air crap for their car, and rather than explain to them why its a POS, i just let them learn for themselves. If its on late night infomercials, chances are it wont work! (some exceptions would include the George Forman grill, that Ronco rotisserie thing, and some of those kitchen knives they sell )

 

doubtless this has been talked about before.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by deepgreengsr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well simple physics tells me that it might help with power down low. Really really low, But on any engine revving past 2 grand it will become a restriction and you will loose HP.</TD></TR></TABLE>What simple physics is that?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 96dc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... You don't want the air to be "swirling" around. That tornado will be causing turbulence inside your intake manifold...</TD></TR></TABLE>Yes, you WANT it to be turbulent. But even at 2000rpm the Reynolds number in the intake runners is over 10000, even larger in the ports, & besides, it's intermittent flow. Do you think it needs 'help' to become turbulent?

 

dont do it

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by deepgreengsr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well simple physics tells me that it might help with power down low. Really really low, But on any engine revving past 2 grand it will become a restriction and you will loose HP.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Eitehr you know something about physics I dont, or you dont know much about physics.


They wont do sweet fuckall at any rpm. You might be thinking of the resosnance assited ram air effect that will increase torque at low rpms....but I cant see how that POS would change the resonant frequency of your IM any more than sticking a yogourt cup inside it would.

They dont work and are basically a drain on the average idiot.

Theoretically a vortex would increase fuel atomization, which btw, is allready emplyed in the CVCC engine honda developped in the late 70s. The thing is, if you want a vortex to help atomization it needs to occur where the fuel mixing happens....try installing that thing between your injector and the intake valve.

JimBlake you homo enable your instant messages

 

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wont do sweet fuckall </TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL, i gotta remmeber that.


But as stated before, the idea behind it, which is to make the air swirl and blah blah blah is a good idea, but the location of that product is where its fault is.

 

I'm going to start selling this kind of ****...people will buy anything.

 

Imma sell a Counter Tornado air piece, so that the people who bought the tornado air device can read this post, see how stupid it is, then buy my counter tornado to cancel out the tornado

 

Swirl fill already happens inside the combustion chamber. I believe that's where you'd want turbulence. Inside the IM and head you'd want "smooth" flow. That's why the 2 nonVTEC lobes are staggered. That is my understanding.