this was done on my 00si, with ground control coil-overs and stock shocks.

i have -2.73 camber in the back and the owner of the shop guaranteed i would have 0 uneven tire wear. ITS ALL ABOUT THE TOE

 

I have been saying this for years....

Let people waste their money on camber kits to dial them in to 0.

 

Well, I dont know about absolutely 0 uneven tire wear tho. But I do agree that Camber doesnt affect it as much as toe.

 

gotta love Track camber!!!

 

yea most people think i am crazy when i tell them that camber wont hurt your tires unless its like -3+.

 

Well your rear camber is only -.73 off of the allowable specs, so yes I doubt it will wear tires unevenly.

If you ran -2.73 in the rear of the 1992-1995 Civic, which is only allowed -1.3 via Honda specs, I'd think it might wear tires a bit more uneven than the 96-00 Civic.

Try running -2 degrees up front for a while and see what happens.

 

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If you ran -2.73 in the rear of the 1992-1995 Civic, which is only allowed -1.3 via Honda specs, I'd think it might wear tires a bit more uneven than the 96-00 Civic.

Try running -2 degrees up front for a while and see what happens.

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i was actually suprised my camber was -2.73 it doesnt look bad at all

 

Well they didn't even set the toe at dead center of the specs, which is .08 but oh well. I guess .04 and .05 was good enough for them?

 

i've had my camber hovering below -2.0 for about 30k miles now and theres DEFINITELY uneven wear . . . . but not much

it doesnt make sense to say that off camber doesnt cause uneven wear at all. . . . just look at a runner's shoe that overpronates, uneven wear cuz one side has more weight on it than the other

 

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i think they said it was the stock setting?

 

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it doesnt make sense to say that off camber doesnt cause uneven wear at all. . . . just look at a runner's shoe that overpronates, uneven wear cuz one side has more weight on it than the other </TD></TR></TABLE>

what was your toe setting at when camber was -2.0?

 

its true.. its all about TOE... at our shop are alignments are TOE and GO.. we adjust the toe to stop tire wear.. caber is a big misconception.. although it cause wear it is very very mild.. toe is the big problem

 

toe was off when i initially put in the springs in (and again when i put the shocks in a few months later). i ran it for less than 5 miles with the springs, and less than 10 with the shocks before getting it alligned. i dont have the toe specs on me now cuz im in college but i told the alignment shop to just set my toe to factory specs.

to clarify, in my case, camber wear is very mild at 30k, BUT its there nonetheless

 

I am getting Eibach sportlines on my 2000 civic Ex. So, what you are saying is that if I go to an alignment shop just tell them to set the toe to the factory settings I will be fine and the tires won't wear???

 

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That is corret, toe is what wears tires quickly, Camber makes tire wear uinevely but it is more gradual type of wear, with -2.5 camber in the front of my car , when I got 35000 miles on my Tires the inside was Bald and the outside was at the wear bars which was fine with me. these were cheap tires however and performace tires may be more senstive to agressice camber since they are stickier.


Modified by Solracer at 4:38 PM 3/25/2004

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B CRUZ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have been saying this for years....

Let people waste their money on camber kits to dial them in to 0.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I know I didn't buy my camber kits to take out camber but to better set it up and I added camber in my setup.

 

I agree that toe is the major contributor to wear.

I want to point out that as you go up in wheel size and down in sidewall thickness the tire become more "sensitive" to the alignment settings. A 17" wheel with a 204/40/17 will get more wear from negative camber than a 14" with a 185/60/14.

So, keep that in mind when deciding whether you need camber adjustability. Toe and go did not work for me.


I also don't see any proof of anything here. Just cause an alignment tech told you something, that doesn't mean ****. Put 20-30,000 miles on that setup then you'll have proof of his statement.

 

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I also don't see any proof of anything here. Just cause an alignment tech told you something, that doesn't mean ****. Put 20-30,000 miles on that setup then you'll have proof of his statement.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yea your right my alinment tech knows nothing about what makes tires wear. dammit should have talked to you before i got it done.

 

Isn't it just common sense that camber will cause the tire to wear unevenly(even if it's not that noticeable) because it's not planted flat on the ground. I always thought this was a nobrainer

 

toe evens out the wear, i had my friend toe my crx perfect with no camber kit and i never saw wear. camber just keeps the tire from being completely flat on ht ground

 

Well I think I'll test this theory out some then.

I currently run -.08 camber up front on my 1992 Cx, so I think I'll dial in -1.5 and set the toe correctly and see what happens.

 

isnt a little bit of camber better for you car?

 

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You mean negative camber?

Yes.

Hell a lot of factory Hondas and Acuras have some negative camber already dialed in with 100% stock suspension.

It's very common for bone stock newer and older model Hondas./Acuras to have -1.5 degrees of camber in the rear and close to -1 up front.

A little negative camber can help cornering/handling too. Positive camber is terrible, and zero camber isn't so great either if you like to drive a bit spiritedly around turns every now and then.

 

^^ damn do you come in book form?

 

My front has been at -2.5 or so for 2 years now, yet I'm only on my 2nd set of tires since I lowered my car. My current tires have about 25K miles on them and only have a little camber wear. It's definitely not as bad as some cars I've seen that are lowered and don't get an alignment done and the tires are shot within just a few thousand miles.