I did a search and found a little bit of info. But not a whole lot. Most of what I found was not on a B16A (which Im running). Im wonderng what everyone is runing for there total timing. Currently Im running ~18 to 19 deg on .5bar. From what Ive read so far I think I can add probably another 2 or 3 degrees safely. Can you all please list your basic setup and total timing? And your Compresion ratio would be really helpfull. Thanks for anyone that responds.


My basic setup is t3/t4 on a stock B16A running .5bar.

 

 

i'm gona try 22' up top @ around 16 psi.

 

fully built b20/vtec 9:1 compression 15psi 93 octane 14.5-degrees and 11:1 a/f ratio...tuned with aem ems

i like to keep things safe

oh and my previous motor(same setup) melted a piston with 11.3:1 a/f ratio 17 degrees of timing, 19-20psi, and 93 octane(supposedly). just goes to show u that even bullet proof motors can blow too

 

i think that it would be better to run a more timing. you will have rediculously hot egt's with that much retardation y0.

 

id rather have slightly higher egts than nasty detonation...trust me i know from experience... a few degrees retarded up top is not gonna hurt anything. now maybe if i had it at like 10degrees, than yes i would agree with you

 

with 84mm bore and low compression pistons i think others will agree you are past the "keeping it safe" point. and into the rediculous amount of retard arena.

 

10 psi, 93 integra B18A, 14b: 20 degrees peak. That's with ZERO knock on the J&S safeguard, so I may add a little bit more in to see what happens.

 

B18B stock internals & compression 20 deg @ 10.5 psi 11.5:1 A/F run by hondata, and only very little street tuning. No signs of detonation or knocking & stable EGT's.

 

B16A2 stock internals & compression 27 deg @ 11psi 11.4:1 A/F run by Hondata + P28.

 

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What are you guys using for fuel management Kyle?

 

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i sure hope your base timing is retarded, cuz 27 is way too much, that motor wont last long w/ 27 degrees of total timing on that high of compression and boost levels

 

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i sure hope your base timing is retarded, cuz 27 is way too much, that motor wont last long w/ 27 degrees of total timing on that high of compression and boost levels</TD></TR></TABLE>
Found that out after cracking all ringlands. The motor is being rebuilt with CP 9:1 pistons, Eagle rods, blockguard, and some quality machine work. Then I am getting it tuned by Ed at Balanced Performance.

 

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What are you guys using for fuel management Kyle?</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's my car and it's using uberdata, at 10 psi...and it outpulls his talon from a roll, he's not happy.

Jake D.

 

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Found that out after cracking all ringlands. The motor is being rebuilt with CP 9:1 pistons, Eagle rods, blockguard, and some quality machine work. Then I am getting it tuned by Ed at Balanced Performance.</TD></TR></TABLE>

who tuned it before?

 

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It's my car and it's using uberdata, at 10 psi...and it outpulls his talon from a roll, he's not happy.

Jake D.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

are there any dataloggers out there for stock computers?
I really need to see Total timing on my car w/ e-manage

 

I ran 22deg. @ 12psi w/ 11.5:1 a/f on stock LS motor, planned to try some advance on the dyno but never got around too it.

 

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http://www.ecucontrol.com


I think this works for OBDI ECU's. Not sure though. Check it out.


Bump.

 

Well I added about 2 to 3 degrees. And WOW!!! Night and day diffrence. Im so glad to have the power back that I lost when I went from the Hack to Uberdata. My tune was just too damn conservative I guess. Im currently sitting at about 20.5 total timing now at .5bar. I wonder if I can add even more timing.


Im still curious as to what everyone else is running for their total timing though.

 

10:1 compression, 24degrees@25psi c116

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ImAcracker &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well I added about 2 to 3 degrees. And WOW!!! Night and day diffrence. Im so glad to have the power back that I lost when I went from the Hack to Uberdata. My tune was just too damn conservative I guess. Im currently sitting at about 20.5 total timing now at .5bar. I wonder if I can add even more timing.


Im still curious as to what everyone else is running for their total timing though. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Might want to find a way to lower your intake temps more first though. I would also look at a lower temp thermo, also. Good luck, and happy tuning.

 

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Might want to find a way to lower your intake temps more first though. I would also look at a lower temp thermo, also. Good luck, and happy tuning.</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol...How did you now my filter is right behind my radiator currently? Ive ordered the piping already though to redo my IC and intake piping. Just waiting for it to come in the mail and have some time off from work.

 

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lol...How did you now my filter is right behind my radiator currently? Ive ordered the piping already though to redo my IC and intake piping. Just waiting for it to come in the mail and have some time off from work.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's actually very common for people to try higher timing with realizing that you need to drop your intake temps as much as possible to help prevent detonation. Tapping a little hole in your thermo helps a bit too.

 

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Tapping a little hole in your thermo helps a bit too. </TD></TR></TABLE>]


errr....what does that mean?