What's your take on this, I CRX-RX posted:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StripShowHatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there is a counter sunk HEX bolt on the far left portion on the top of the tranny. If you remove your batteyr tray you will see a flat metal strip along the top of the tranny, and all the way to the left of that strip is the hex bolt. Find the corresponding hex and open it up. fill the tranny til it wont take anymore and yes you need to use MTF. Even if you didnt drain it before...that stuff still burns up, so you may be low...cant do anything but help you...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Wholly far off batman!!!!!!!! Have you ever seen or hear of a helms manual, or any for that matter? You use a 17mm wrench to remove the fill plug that is located next to where the pass side axle goes in the tranny, about halfway up the differential housing. Wow, I can't beleive what I just read </TD></TR></TABLE>

In response to what I see as a very misinformed post by stripshowhatch. He then replies:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StripShowHatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"Wholly far off batman!!!!!!!! Have you ever seen or hear of a helms manual, or any for that matter? You use a 17mm wrench to remove the fill plug that is located next to where the pass side axle goes in the tranny, about halfway up the differential housing. Wow, I can't beleive what I just read"

Far off??? okay..lets take a trip down Honda-tech lane...your an engineer at honda and it is now your task to disign the optimal fill point on a tranny so that it is easy to access, and also functional in regards to filling the tranny...would A) make the fill point on the TOP of the tranny to ensure that it is full, and that it requires less work to fill it...or would you put it on the side where it then requires you to jack the car up, remove a tire, or at worst, fill the tranny with the car on the ground and only gettin half the fluid in because the fill point is not on the top....I would have to take the second option there sport....Yes, I do own a helms, and i can also attest to how many things it has been wrong about so far...many of which were realized by ACTUAL honda technicians that I know and are friends with. Continue to fill your tranny on the side if you like, but its more troube then its worth if there are other viable places to fill that require less trouble and give the same result...so you and your helms can have a nice time together doing everything the hard way....

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I can't dignify that with a response, so I'll let you guys do it for me

 

first off that retard is saying to use MTF on a honda you are supposed to use motoroil, due to the fact that MTF is thicker and will starve 5th gear.....thus leading to a fucked 5th gear and eventually a fucked trans.
second. i completely drain the trans and use the specified amount. d-series i fill through the reverse sensor, or b-series i fill though the speed sensor.

-chris

 

thats new to me

so if you do an oil change according to that methodology...
you should also fill your engine with oil till it flows out the top of the valvecover...to ensure that it is full. also you dont have to drain it because it burns off...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by xsellxoutx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">first off that retard is saying to use MTF on a honda you are supposed to use motoroil, due to the fact that MTF is thicker and will starve 5th gear.....thus leading to a fucked 5th gear and eventually a fucked trans.
second. -chris</TD></TR></TABLE>

So then why does the dealership put MTF in our trannys? Hrm, maybe they dont know what theyre doing either. MTF is made by honda for a reason, to be used in manual trannys.

Edit : I agree with CRX, I and a majority of other Honda owners follow the Helms book. I've always filled mine by the fill bolt described in helms and have never had a problem. Now, thats not to say that adding in fluid through other holes cant be done, just be sure your using the right amount. You do not fill up the tranny case full of mtf.

 

regular motor oils doesn't have the proper additives needed for trannies either. hence, honda made the MTF.

 

what that guy doesn't realize, is that the proper fill hole is on the side, so that you can't overfill it. you do not want the entire tranny to be filled with oil. you will destroy the thing.

to the guy that said use motor oil instead of mtf. Think again buddy. There is a reason why MTF is for manual transmissions.

 

whats funny is that everyone is an expert on what kind of fluids to use in trannys, some say only honda mtf, some say motor oil. whats even more funny is that no one has real proof of any of these being good or bad for a tranny. so unless you conducted test to show proof, dont make it sound like you know definetly which one is better. thank you

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civickiller &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">whats funny is that everyone is an expert on what kind of fluids to use in trannys, some say only honda mtf, some say motor oil. whats even more funny is that no one has real proof of any of these being good or bad for a tranny. so unless you conducted test to show proof, dont make it sound like you know definetly which one is better. thank you</TD></TR></TABLE>

Did you think about that before you wrote it?

The answer is fairly simple. If you go buy a Honda at a dealership they put transmission fluid in the trannsmission and motor oil in the motor oil. Their might even be a reason why they call motor oil motor oil and manual transmission fluid transmission fluid/oil.

What's better? Maybe putting oil in the radiator is better. Well, actually it IS if you compete in destruction derby. So for a street car you obviously aren't going to throw oil in the radiator now are you? So why would you put motor oil in the transmission on a street car if the factory engineers designed it to run with MTF???

 

well if you like i can put motor oil into a honda mtf bottle and ill sell it for double the price of regular motor oil.

but anyways, the point is that no one really knows if honda mtf is really any different then regular motor oil, so people shouldnt hate and say they know it all, when they are just thinking honda fluids are the best.

 

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Did you think about that before you wrote it?

The answer is fairly simple. If you go buy a Honda at a dealership they put transmission fluid in the trannsmission and motor oil in the motor oil. Their might even be a reason why they call motor oil motor oil and manual transmission fluid transmission fluid/oil.

What's better? Maybe putting oil in the radiator is better. Well, actually it IS if you compete in destruction derby. So for a street car you obviously aren't going to throw oil in the radiator now are you? So why would you put motor oil in the transmission on a street car if the factory engineers designed it to run with MTF???</TD></TR></TABLE>


Both of you need to read this.

You can put 10W-30 into the trans.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=548481

 

I've used 3 types of fluids in my tranny. Valvoline, 10w30, Redline (I grinded 3rd and R with these).. Then I switched to GM Synchromesh Friction Modified, no more problems. You can buy this stuff at GM dealership. I love this stuff