I used to be a b-series owner and Hondata was like "gods gift" when it came to tuning. How come Hondata doesn't come out with something like they have for the k-series? Is it cause of lack of demand? Or is it cause of the already highly tuned factory engine?

 

i think because the f20 is already tuned so much from the factory its hard to get anymore power out

 

You can tune it some by leaning it out with a vafc but thats about it unless you get a AEM EMS which costs a pretty penny. The F20C is really efficient from the factory.

 

What about with serious all motor or turbo applications?

 

ITB would be your best bet going N/A.

Turbo kits require serious $ and time to tune in order to gain some reliable power from it. The bar is up to 559 right now but they are still pushing it.

 

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Yep, tuned enough that I got 30hp with I/H/E and some tuning with the EMS.


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Turbo kits require serious $ and time to tune in order to gain some reliable power from it. The bar is up to 559 right now but they are still pushing it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

if you can show me a dyno graph that show's the gains of the ITB's alone, I'll give ya cookie. I've already seen dyno charts of the ems and ITB's installed but when I gained over 15hp with tuning through the EMS, I'm very doubtful the ITBs will produce any more power when running no air filters and taking in nice hot engine air. I'll eat my words once I see someone dyno their car with a tuned EMS, then install the ITB's and show the gains of the ITB's alone. We all shouldn't forget the claims made previously that the ITB's will gain 50whp alone.

 

someone should call up hondata to see y there is nothing for the F series

 

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Yep, tuned enough that I got 30hp with I/H/E and some tuning with the EMS.

if you can show me a dyno graph that show's the gains of the ITB's alone, I'll give ya cookie. I've already seen dyno charts of the ems and ITB's installed but when I gained over 15hp with tuning through the EMS, I'm very doubtful the ITBs will produce any more power when running no air filters and taking in nice hot engine air. I'll eat my words once I see someone dyno their car with a tuned EMS, then install the ITB's and show the gains of the ITB's alone. We all shouldn't forget the claims made previously that the ITB's will gain 50whp alone.
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Here you go, where's my cookie?
link: http://forums.s2ki.com/forums/...88049

47rwhp to be exact!

 

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been done, it wont happen anytime soon and with a system like the AEM EMS, I doubt it will happen at all.

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Here you go, where's my cookie?
link: http://forums.s2ki.com/forums/...88049

47rwhp to be exact!

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No soup for you!!!!! B/c I repeat, the dyno chart does NOT show the gains of the ITB's alone. It includes a baseline then a dyno of the ITB's and EMS installed. Not exactly a scientific approach to limit one variable to show the differences it made. This was discussed in that thread already and a few others where the ITB's were tried out as a promotional push. I eat my words again if I see a dyno chart showing otherwise. An offer was given to the guy in so cal to dyno his car for free with the ITB's to see the gains he was claiming they made and many other s2k's were dyno'd at this shop so a comparision would easily be made but the guy never took the offer but had enough time to make a video of doing burn outs and passes on his neighborhood streets.

 

 

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been done, it wont happen anytime soon and with a system like the AEM EMS, I doubt it will happen at all.

No soup for you!!!!! B/c I repeat, the dyno chart does NOT show the gains of the ITB's alone. It includes a baseline then a dyno of the ITB's and EMS installed. Not exactly a scientific approach to limit one variable to show the differences it made. This was discussed in that thread already and a few others where the ITB's were tried out as a promotional push. I eat my words again if I see a dyno chart showing otherwise. An offer was given to the guy in so cal to dyno his car for free with the ITB's to see the gains he was claiming they made and many other s2k's were dyno'd at this shop so a comparision would easily be made but the guy never took the offer but had enough time to make a video of doing burn outs and passes on his neighborhood streets. </TD></TR></TABLE>

exactly...i told him to post up the dyno chart when he got caught racing on the freeway/selling all his parts. if someone was willing to pay a pretty penny for the itb's, header, cat-back exhaust im sure they would want a see a before and after dyno...and lastly im sure he has a dyno sheet from when he got tuned on the aem ems...but still no charts

 

Hrm...this thread is sort of going off topic. From what i rememeber, the hondata products made for the bseries showed just as good results as the aem ems in n/a tuning. However, i don't plan on tuning my own car and would rather have someone else do it for me. Is there something that is as capable as the aem ems without the high cost?

 

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there is the emanage, but it's not standalone. Remember that with the EMS, you can tune on the fly. I guess it's one of those things where it depends on what level you want to tune at. With the EMS, it's unadultered with no boundaries and those that run it wonder why it's so cheap for what it is comparable to a motech, haltech, or any other stand alone system where their software sucks and you have to buy it seperately, it comes with the AEM EMS.

 

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there is the emanage, but it's not standalone. Remember that with the EMS, you can tune on the fly. I guess it's one of those things where it depends on what level you want to tune at. With the EMS, it's unadultered with no boundaries and those that run it wonder why it's so cheap for what it is comparable to a motech, haltech, or any other stand alone system where their software sucks and you have to buy it seperately, it comes with the AEM EMS.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Good point Vapor. StinkyTofu, IM B18CXr (Jack from P1Auto) if you have any questions about the EMS. He seems to use it on a variety of cars..

 

Thanks for the information guys. I'll now probably go with the ems since it seems like the only good option for me down the road. I plan on staying n/a because i hate f/i and i don't care how much money it will take to squeeze out that extra 1 whp.

 

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Because the ECUs are not programmable and there is no other programmable Honda computer we can plug into the wiring loom which will drive the direct ignition and work with the cam and crank sensors.

 

haha didn`t we just talk about this today, Doug?

 

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Ah, that answers my question. Thanks

I don't understand why they would make the f-series ecu non-programmable while leaving the k-series with so much potential.