DTR and Toda Header
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DTR and Toda Header
I am looking at possibly ditching my DC Sports JDM 4-1 header I am currently running for a new one (it's getting the crap kicked out of it on these roads!). I looked into the DTR header and even called and talked to Danny himself (awesome guy-very helpful 
). However, I am wondering if one of his headers would really be suitable for me and if I should look into a Toda header. I was informed that some slight modifications need to be done to make it fit on my car (notching of the fan housing for the A/C, removal of the rear transmission mount, and the running of a custom test pipe.) As much as I would like to make as much power as possible, I really don't think I would want to do all of that. As far as I am aware, the Toda header can be run with no modification at all to any of those things (except having a 2.5" cat/test pipe) and still make some good gains. I would like to know if anyone is familiar with these two headers and how they compare to each other. Would sticking with a DTR header really be better than going with a Toda or would a Toda be better? Either way, the DC Sports JDM 4-1 has got to go ASAP before I break the frikkin' thing. Thanks for the help on this one.
). However, I am wondering if one of his headers would really be suitable for me and if I should look into a Toda header. I was informed that some slight modifications need to be done to make it fit on my car (notching of the fan housing for the A/C, removal of the rear transmission mount, and the running of a custom test pipe.) As much as I would like to make as much power as possible, I really don't think I would want to do all of that. As far as I am aware, the Toda header can be run with no modification at all to any of those things (except having a 2.5" cat/test pipe) and still make some good gains. I would like to know if anyone is familiar with these two headers and how they compare to each other. Would sticking with a DTR header really be better than going with a Toda or would a Toda be better? Either way, the DC Sports JDM 4-1 has got to go ASAP before I break the frikkin' thing. Thanks for the help on this one.
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Re: DTR and Toda Header (ironmonkee)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ironmonkee »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I was informed that some slight modifications need to be done to make it fit on my car (notching of the fan housing for the A/C, removal of the rear transmission mount, and the running of a custom test pipe.) As much as I would like to make as much power as possible, I really don't think I would want to do all of that. </TD></TR></TABLE>
you do need to take away a little from the fan shroud from the radiator....you do not need to remove the rear mount.....and yes a test pipe must be used.....
the dtr headers best performance makes it necessary to be that way...hope this anwers some questions
you do need to take away a little from the fan shroud from the radiator....you do not need to remove the rear mount.....and yes a test pipe must be used.....
the dtr headers best performance makes it necessary to be that way...hope this anwers some questions
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Re: DTR and Toda Header (Skunk2nR)
Awesome link. I tried finding something like that via search and nothing came up. Thanks though. It helped alot. The difference between the Toda and the DTR headers is a small gap (I think I saw about 4hp and about 1 ft/lb. of torque in the DTR header's favor). Since they are so close in performance and cost (about $850 or so for the mild steel DTR-little over a grand for a stainless; around $960 for the Toda) and the fact that such modification is required for the DTR, plus the fact that Texas does vehicle inspections (no sniffer, but they do check for a cat-should've stay registered in Florida where there aren't any 
), I think I'll just go with the Toda header. I really don't have the time or resources as a full time college student and working full time to change the header and cat out every year just for a vehicle inspection (plus my **** is lazy 
). Thanks again for the answers all. I really appreciate it.
), I think I'll just go with the Toda header. I really don't have the time or resources as a full time college student and working full time to change the header and cat out every year just for a vehicle inspection (plus my **** is lazy ). Thanks again for the answers all. I really appreciate it.
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Re: DTR and Toda Header (ironmonkee)
Why don't you look into getting a Header-Tech header since you're tight with money? It's $650 for the stainless steel version. Much cheaper than the Toda/DTR header, and it performs just as well as you can see on that Header thread (Made more torque than both and just about the same HP). I recently picked up a Header-Tech header myself and the quality is VERY nice and it has a nice 3" inch collector too.
But it might take awhile for you to get one after ordering it. It is a custom made Race header afterall. But from everyone who've used it, I heard nothing but good things.
But it might take awhile for you to get one after ordering it. It is a custom made Race header afterall. But from everyone who've used it, I heard nothing but good things.
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Re: DTR and Toda Header (Skunk2nR)
You could also try and pick up a used toda, if you dont mind used things. I picked up my toda about a month ago used for 600 bucks was a little dirty but I spend a couple hours cleaning it up before I put it on and it looks like new again 
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Re: DTR and Toda Header (Skunk2nR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Skunk2nR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why don't you look into getting a Header-Tech header since you're tight with money? It's $650 for the stainless steel version. Much cheaper than the Toda/DTR header, and it performs just as well as you can see on that Header thread (Made more torque than both and just about the same HP). I recently picked up a Header-Tech header myself and the quality is VERY nice and it has a nice 3" inch collector too.
But it might take awhile for you to get one after ordering it. It is a custom made Race header afterall. But from everyone who've used it, I heard nothing but good things.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I heard about those but haven't really looked into them. How's the ground clearance on them? Any sort of extra modification necessary to use it (besides the addition of a larger flange for the 3" collector)? Do you happen to have a link to their website where I can check them out? Thanks for the tip.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by zigs »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You could also try and pick up a used toda, if you dont mind used things. I picked up my toda about a month ago used for 600 bucks was a little dirty but I spend a couple hours cleaning it up before I put it on and it looks like new again </TD></TR></TABLE>
I don't have a problem with used stuff: the Skunk2 Stage 2 cams I have were bought with only 1300 miles on them (the person I bought them off of is going with a custom turbo setup). I found one here on H-T actually and I am looking into it. It looks like its in good shape and if it pans out with the wife (and after I look into the Header-Tech header) , I might pick it up this week. Wish me luck.
But it might take awhile for you to get one after ordering it. It is a custom made Race header afterall. But from everyone who've used it, I heard nothing but good things.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I heard about those but haven't really looked into them. How's the ground clearance on them? Any sort of extra modification necessary to use it (besides the addition of a larger flange for the 3" collector)? Do you happen to have a link to their website where I can check them out? Thanks for the tip.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by zigs »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You could also try and pick up a used toda, if you dont mind used things. I picked up my toda about a month ago used for 600 bucks was a little dirty but I spend a couple hours cleaning it up before I put it on and it looks like new again </TD></TR></TABLE>
I don't have a problem with used stuff: the Skunk2 Stage 2 cams I have were bought with only 1300 miles on them (the person I bought them off of is going with a custom turbo setup). I found one here on H-T actually and I am looking into it. It looks like its in good shape and if it pans out with the wife (and after I look into the Header-Tech header) , I might pick it up this week. Wish me luck.
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Re: DTR and Toda Header (ironmonkee)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ironmonkee »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I heard about those but haven't really looked into them. How's the ground clearance on them? Any sort of extra modification necessary to use it (besides the addition of a larger flange for the 3" collector)? Do you happen to have a link to their website where I can check them out? Thanks for the tip.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ground clearance isn't as great as a 4-2-1 header like the Toda or DTR, but I heard it has better ground clearance than the JDM DC 4-1 header. So it's not that bad.
There's no specific modification needed. The Header comes with a reducer pipe that goes from 3" inches to 2.5" inches. You can get a flange and connect it to your exhaust... or if you wanna run a cat, you can get a carsound cat that has a 3" inch inlet and 2.5" inch outlet.
http://www.headertech.com/
That's their website, but you can't find anything useful there except for their phone number. You should give them and call. I heard they have great service. They'll answer any question you have.
Check out my header thread if you wanna get an idea of how it looks.
Click here
Ground clearance isn't as great as a 4-2-1 header like the Toda or DTR, but I heard it has better ground clearance than the JDM DC 4-1 header. So it's not that bad.
There's no specific modification needed. The Header comes with a reducer pipe that goes from 3" inches to 2.5" inches. You can get a flange and connect it to your exhaust... or if you wanna run a cat, you can get a carsound cat that has a 3" inch inlet and 2.5" inch outlet.
http://www.headertech.com/
That's their website, but you can't find anything useful there except for their phone number. You should give them and call. I heard they have great service. They'll answer any question you have.
Check out my header thread if you wanna get an idea of how it looks.
Click here
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