how low can you drop a si hatchback before you start needing camber kits?

 

It depends which setup you decide to use. I know anything past 2inches and your looking for a camber adjustment. I have my car drop 2 inches with 17's and they are perfectly straight.

 

I was going to post the same thing!

 

my crx Si is dropped 2.25in and it desperatly needs a camber kit I don't know if the same applies to just an hb, so I think if you plan on a drop bigger than 1 in. you should consider it, even if you don't have a problem, it is nice to be able to easliy adjust your camber for different driving situations

 

i think that if you lower ur car any amount, you should use a camber kit. Uneven tire wear is not worth it.

 

jeeze ineed a damn camber kit!

-Eric

 

I'm down about 2 and it needs one to be in spec. And thats on a '89 hatch

 

I just depends on how you drive your car. I'll be lowering mine 1.8" tonight on a set of Neuspeed sports and won't be using a camber kit but I like to rail around corners an a bit of negative camber helps handling.

 

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do u have picture of your car also how far off are you

 

Anything more than 1" IMO.

 

you guys need toe alignments, not camber kits. its the change in toe that causes bad tire wear, not camber, especially on hondas with double wishbone suspension. its the other car companies that have crappy macpherson strut suspension that need camber kits. the little bit of extra negative camber you get from lowering a honda is beneficial for handling. fix your alignment.

 

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Yes, I believe that is is something like 3 or 4 time faster than bad camber...I forgot to mention that I always align my vehiccles after I lower them.

 

tyson I agree with you to an extent, toe is the most tire wearing adjustment and the most commonly adjusted.

but im sure you know camber is just as responsible for tire wear as toe is. Honda's are extremely light so the weight on the inside of the tires is less greater if you were to lower a truck for example. Having negative camber though does more then tire wear though it puts uneeded pressure on your ball joints, axle's and wheel bearings, plus it can actually decrease your gas mileage.

no matter what get your car aligned after an alignment, you guys would be surprised how many cars need camber kits with stock springs. Anytime you change somthing with the suspension your measurements will also change always keep that in mind.

 

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my thoughts exactly... even if you drop your car .25" you should get a camber kit and get it aligned... just because you cant see it doesnt mean its not there... and yes some negative camber helps at handling but to a cost like kasper ef8 stated above... but this is only true to an extent... anything over about .5 of a degree will do more bad than good... so basically dont cheap out on your car... get a kit and get it fixed

 

all i can attest to is that ive gone thru yokohama intermediates and azenis with various setups from stock, to eibach pro kits and really slammed for road race height, and on both sets of tires, tire wear is completely even. granted that i also frequently get my car aligned thru a sponsor i arranged, ive NEVER adjusted my camber, even at -2.5 degrees. eibach pro kits got me about -1.5-1.75 i think. i did a lot of autocrossing on both tires.

tires wear faster in turns, and its mainly the outside of the tire that is going to wear during hard turns. having that negative camber EVENS it out. even on my R compound race tires i was still getting faster wear on the outer edge. if you drive straight all day, then i suppose you really want to level out the camber. i guess you drag racers are the ones needing camber kits. if thats the case, then my advice is totally invalid if youre a drag racer or like peeling out in straight lines because i really dont have any experience with doing that.

actually, the other thing i can attest to is that after i helped my friend put in a steering rack, which messes the toe up totally, he waited a few days or weeks to get an alignment which totally wore out his kumho ecsta 712 which were pretty new. ride height was barely lowered, we even raised it up since he has GC kit.

so no, i dont agree camber has an "equal" effect to tire wear as does toe.


ps on the side, neutron, you say dont "cheap out", why the heck do you want skunk2 coilover kit? get a real kit from GC.

 

well I never said it has an equal effect........I said it is responsible for tire wear as well.......since in your first post you seemed to make it apparent camber wasnt a tire wearing factor in alignments.


If anyone wants to see my specs I can throw them up here, this will give you an example of some wicked *** specs, my **** is all outta whack.

Im not an alignment genious, but I do average about 2-3 a day at work so I like to think I have a little idea of what im talking about.

 

The main thing is most guys alignments are already outta spec, due to sagging suspension components/bad tires/ and loose components.

so when they slam there car everything that was bad before has now just doubled.......

I dont know the condition of your car or the different ways you like to setup your suspension and by no means am I knocking your opinion.

its really no biggie to me, Im for a little negative camber myself of course.

 

does this need a camber kit?

 

if it was real, kinda hard to hold on a tire with no lugs?

 

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wow .. thats pretty damn low.. might wanna thing about that camber kit buddy

 

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Or try putting the wheel back on the hub.. notice the fact that yuo can see the black holes. I wanna drop my car to something of that effect.

 

I'm only lowered about .5" - .75" with H&R's, and it only takes about 2 months to go through a pair of Azenis with normal daily driving.

 

then theres something serious wrong with your alignment. it is not due to your lowering. ive had my azenis for over a year and still have some tread left. i drive hard, take it on track days and do a lot of freeway driving too.

also, that picture above is ridiculous, you got much more than camber issues at that height, like total lack of suspension travel.

 

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it's just dropped on the rim.. it's not a moving car.. look for lugs ..

 

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My 91 std is dropped almost this low, maybe .75" higher and i haven't seen any tire wear since i've had the car. i'm rolling on the 13" steelies.

with my old crx it was dropped about 2-2.5" and it wore tires out like crazy!