Im trying to weigh the two...feature for feature...

What would you guys recomend and why ?

Going to be for N-a K-series motor with Vtc locked All out drag motor

Tia

 

I really don't think there's any question about it. Can the speedpro even work with the signals from the ref sensor? Can the speedpro run the individual coils? Can the speedpro run off of T/P as load with MAP compensation? Does the speedpro datalog w/o an extra box or a switch? Download the m4 software and look through the options and calibrations, it can do just about anything you want it to do. If you want to keep the variable cam timing then you can go with the m400.

 

I was gonna say something less intelligent than that, but I will let the man who sold me on Motec talk for me, keep on keepin' on Tony!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I really don't think there's any question about it. Can the speedpro even work with the signals from the ref sensor? Can the speedpro run the individual coils? Can the speedpro run off of T/P as load with MAP compensation? Does the speedpro datalog w/o an extra box or a switch? Download the m4 software and look through the options and calibrations, it can do just about anything you want it to do. If you want to keep the variable cam timing then you can go with the m400.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Gotcha ...answered my Q
Thanks bro

 

I think if Tony and Bob Norwood went door to door, they could sell old ladies Motec for their old Cadys. He's already got me sold on it for 2005 Season.

 

We've got an old Aston Marton Lagonda, funny looking EXPENSIVE old *** car, at the shop that we're gonna put a motec on!!!

 

Im gettin' a Goped, with Nitrous...be expecting a call.

 

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Gopeds, **** that is funny. A couple of guys I work with carried theirs to the local test-n-tune to run. Track officials said "no helmet, no race". Damn that would have been funny.

 

While we are on the subject

the RSX coils have 3 wires....will there be any prob with this.

 

And ...is the Wide range lambda option a must or ?

 

No problem at all, that's actually good for you. They have an ignitor built in and you can use a Motec ignition expander and run the coils directly off the ecu (with no msd) and only use one output channel on the m4.

 

The lambda is an option, very good for track tuning, but definitely not necessary.

 

I love having Motec east 10 mins from my shop

 

Thanks bro .

i really appreciate the info

 

i downloaded the demo version of the motec software.. are they all in msdos ??? not windows based??

it seemd waaaaaay simpler than i thought... i thought theese were like the most involved ems's out there... the aem ems is waaaaaaaaaay more complicated.

also can someone explain to me what the lambda values equal to. and if you'd like you could actually write out the function with a volt vs. airfuel graph and tell me witch axis is witch.. dunno if thats what they mean by lambda value..

 

As for the Lambda to Air Fuel ratio Table:
Lambda A/F Gas A/F Alcohol
0.70 10.3 4.5
0.75 11.0 4.8
0.80 11.8 5.1
0.85 12.5 5.4
0.90 13.2 5.8
0.95 14.0 6.1
1.00 14.7 6.4
1.05 15.4 6.7
1.10 16.2 7.0
A typical N/A engine on gasoline trim for its best performance would be .85 to .90 under full load, under minimize load or next to none would be some where in the 1.00 range, and under economy would be like 1.05 or so. For a race engine with big camshaft(high overlap) is better to tune it on the TPS as load mode and use the Baro pressure sensor or 1 Bar Map for altitude compensation, Because if the engine is tune base on the Air density of the Intake Manifold(Map as load) the tune ability won't be that great because the Kpa value is going to be so high at idle already and as soon as the motor sees minimize load the kpa value is going to be the same as full load. And if the Vtec is lock up which will have even more overlap at idle or low rpm, the tune ability only gets worst when tuning Map as load. Motec would be my choice here over the speed pro for sure. As for the lambda option that Motec offers for the M4 box, it would be a better idea to get it if the box is going to be install on a race car, so after each pass it gives the ability to datalog the Actual lambda value. But it is not a must if the motor is well tune on the dyno.

 

As for the Ref signal, speed pro does not recognize the Multi tooth crank sensor that's on the K20 engine which I believe there is 12 ref teeth. How the speed pro works is it sees 1 teeth per TDC, and after 720 degrees of crank revolution, it sees the camshaft sensor and restart its cycle again. In order to get the speed pro to work with the K20 engine, A MSD Crank trigger will need to be mounted some where so it produce 4 pulses every engine cycle(720 degrees). And not only that, speed pro only have 1 Ignition Output which is also not meet up with the K20 engine that have individual coils. To save all the trouble of the speed pro to get it to work, Just purchase the Motec, it will probably comes out to be around the same price.

 

You guys forgot about the FAST E-DIST (Electronic Distributor) to eliminate the factory distributor for any type of car. You can run individual coils with this system.. It has the capabilities to handle 12-12 output signals. However, you must use a crank angle and cam sensor . You can use the factory sensors but you may be plagued with the stock honda sensor failure. This set up requires going from the Speed Pro ECU --&gt; E-Dist---&gt; MSD DIS system and finally to the coil packs. This all ads up but if you already have a Speed Pro you may consider the upgrade. If not, yes M4 is a really great set up with less hassels and more features. Thanks tony and the rest of the guys for sharing helpful info.... and that is why they call this Honda-Tech.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by James L. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As for the Ref signal, speed pro does not recognize the Multi tooth crank sensor that's on the K20 engine which I believe there is 12 ref teeth. How the speed pro works is it sees 1 teeth per TDC, and after 720 degrees of crank revolution, it sees the camshaft sensor and restart its cycle again. In order to get the speed pro to work with the K20 engine, A MSD Crank trigger will need to be mounted some where so it produce 4 pulses every engine cycle(720 degrees). And not only that, speed pro only have 1 Ignition Output which is also not meet up with the K20 engine that have individual coils. To save all the trouble of the speed pro to get it to work, Just purchase the Motec, it will probably comes out to be around the same price.</TD></TR></TABLE>


This sound like someone i just met ?

Jeff's homie ?

 

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This sound like someone i just met ?

Jeff's homie ?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yep!

 

Most of the motec stuff is DOS based, except the M800, M880, and the newer stuff, the M400 and M600. The ADL interpreter is also windows based. Honestly, the windows stuff is cool and has some more features, but i like tuning on the dos stuff better. It's just easier to navigate through since you don't have to deal with a mouse. Same with speedpro, i like the dos version better than the windows.

 

I agree with tony1 the dos mode is way more easier to navigate throught the system.

 

windows looks nicer but for quick navigating dos is the way to go.

 

I'd go with MoTeC anyday I agree with everyone too, overlaying maps, etc. with the Windows based F.A.S.T. system isn't as simple as DOS...

 

cool beans... i like dos also. alot faster.