B18C5
*85mm slugs
*polished crank
*12.5:1
*Hytech header/catback (no cat)
*custom short ram intake
*Crower 403 cams
*RC 310's
*no PS/AC

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AEM EMS (P1 Automotive tuned using NA 30-1010 map, 2.5 hours worth)

Hondata P28 ecu (was tuned/installed by an Official Hondata Dealer/Tuner)


ONLY CHANGE WAS THE ECU

AEM EMS over the Hondata


Hondata run


AEM EMS run


Hondata data



AEM EMS


There is some sort of harmonic in the 5,450rpm range that prevented a more linear power curve.


A stock '01 Hype R for comparison.




Enjoy

 

Damn, i need a loan.

 

Jack, I'm not up to date on the Mustang dyno vs Dynojet....But those numbers are nice...

 

I don't understand what you are trying to say here? That AEM is better right out of the box without tuning? That the Hondata needs to be tuned more?

What about:
1. Atmospheric conditions
2. Heat soak
3. Ignition maps
4. What stage/type of Hondata was it?

 

I wish he would stop posting someone else's tuning vs his with AEM, or basemap vs his tuning.

If you are going to do comparisons, wouldn't it make a little more sense to actually tune both yourself and that will show the difference? All you are showing is that your tuning is better than whom ever installed the hondata, or that they did a bad job. We can't make any comparison to AEM vs Hondata here, which it obviously is meant to show.

An example of good things = when you posted knock values of the AEM vs stock. That showed a gain in tuning precision. These tuner vs tuner stuff isn't really helpful.

 

Those hondata maps look like ****, whoever tuned those needs some more lessons.

EDIT: further reading answered my question.

 

did you clay this engine before you tuned it?

 

I don't understand what you are trying to say here? That AEM is better right out of the box without tuning? That the Hondata needs to be tuned more?
What about:
1. Atmospheric conditions
2. Heat soak
3. Ignition maps
4. What stage/type of Hondata was it?



1. both numbers are SAE corrected
2. all runs were performed with a 205 F coolant temp (+ or - 5 degrees) and IAT 105 F (+ or - 3 degrees)
3. I did not tune the hondata so I have no idea, the EMS ING maps are exactly the same as the 1010 base map,with a 16 degree base
4. S200


P.S. in addition to # 2, I never shut a car off on the dyno between runs to prevent inflated numbers due to lower IAT/ECT values.

 

is this kirk's py itr?

 

I wish he would stop posting someone else's tuning vs his with AEM, or basemap vs his tuning.
If you are going to do comparisons, wouldn't it make a little more sense to actually tune both yourself and that will show the difference? All you are showing is that your tuning is better than whom ever installed the hondata, or that they did a bad job. We can't make any comparison to AEM vs Hondata here, which it obviously is meant to show.



I understand what your asking for. All I'm trying to do is educate people by providing data. If that so happens to show that the "Official Hondata Dealer" network can/can not tune, so be it. If that so happens to convert Hondata users to EMS users, so be it.

I'm not trying to say "Hondata is crap" what I'm trying to show is that the EMS is a killer system and can work with ANY setup, no burning chips required. The EMS system got a bad rap outta the gate due to the fact they released it too early before all the proper revisions were complete. I want to silence all the EMS haters that claim it is a "Bad system" and "Does not work"

later,

 

did you clay this engine before you tuned it?


No need, the list of parts in the build provided me with the info I needed to adjust the cam gears accordingly.

 

I was sketchy with it out of the box, and I knew it wasnt just a simple plug and play system. But I also researched and found out that the beta testers know their **** (went to a Supra dyno day as well) and they have a really good relationship with the AEM development team, and went through SERIOUS lengths to work out bugs. AEM would fly developers and testers out all over the country to view problems first hand and try to find a resolution. When the system was really young, it was very basic and had lots of issues. But since then it has developed very nicely, can handle all ranges of set ups, and I stand by it 100%. The first day I got mine set up I was in shock how easy the tuner made it look. Once you get familiar with the system and how EFI tuning works, you can basically do anything you want. Now if I could only get time to get down to P1.

I agree Yacks posts lately have seemed to be more on the Hondata vs AEM focus, but I also agree that it helps show that the EMS can do just as good if not better than some of the other tuning methods out there.

 

i think those #'s suck for what you got!

 

I thought about the EMS till I saw the price tag. That is the only reason I went with hondata.
Good stuff though either way. I played with the Download sample stuff that AEM had on thier site and was impressed. I may give it a try down the road. who knows.

 

i think those #'s suck for what you got!

peak numbers are for bench ricers, delta's are the key.....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by misfit &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I thought about the EMS till I saw the price tag. That is the only reason I went with hondata.
Good stuff though either way. I played with the Download sample stuff that AEM had on thier site and was impressed. I may give it a try down the road. who knows. </TD></TR></TABLE>

depends where you looked. I know there was a group buy way back in the day on GBC.com and they were going for $1100. add everything you need to get hondata up and running and its not tooo far off. some people argue you save that money though when u get on the dyno as its less hassle to tune the EMS. :shrugs:

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by misfit &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I thought about the EMS till I saw the price tag. That is the only reason I went with hondata.
Good stuff though either way. I played with the Download sample stuff that AEM had on thier site and was impressed. I may give it a try down the road. who knows. </TD></TR></TABLE>

F00d for thought:

s200 = $295
p28 ecu ~ $100
rev limiter $125
b00st capability $200
datalogging $200
R0m Editor $200
R0mulator $180
Programmer $180

Total = $1480 me thinks...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by El Pollo Diablo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

F00d for thought:

s200 = $295
p28 ecu ~ $100
rev limiter $125
b00st capability $200
datalogging $200
R0m Editor $200
R0mulator $180
Programmer $180

Total = $1480 me thinks...


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I got the base S200. SGT tuned it. I think i spent a total of 700 tuned for everything. I think I did pretty damn good IMHO.

 

are you saying you'd get better hp numbers with aem over hondata? - if thats what you're saying, please explain. if thats not what you're saying, why are you comparing the 2?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtec.dc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">are you saying you'd get better hp numbers with aem over hondata? - if thats what you're saying, please explain. if thats not what you're saying, why are you comparing the 2?</TD></TR></TABLE>
You can't compare that because Jack didn't do the tuning on the Hondata plot, just the AEM.

 

if thats not what you're saying, why are you comparing the 2?



please read the entire post....


<U>I understand what your asking for. All I'm trying to do is educate people by providing data. If that so happens to show that the "Official Hondata Dealer" network can/can not tune, so be it. If that so happens to convert Hondata users to EMS users, so be it.

I'm not trying to say "Hondata is crap" what I'm trying to show is that the EMS is a killer system and can work with ANY setup, no burning chips required. The EMS system got a bad rap outta the gate due to the fact they released it too early before all the proper revisions were complete. I want to silence all the EMS haters that claim it is a "Bad system" and "Does not work"

later,

</U>

 

I love these posts Jack, keep them coming

Tweak - who likes dynos and hates butt feeling of any kind.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tweakmeister &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Tweak - who likes dynos and hates butt feeling of any kind.</TD></TR></TABLE>
ROTFLMFAO..
what about a hot chix ***

 

Those numbers are very weak for the motor, and not just the peak, the whole curve. The Hondata was tuned? Looks like another Hondata base map vs EMS tuned plot. You don't happen to sell the AEM system do you? I am all for testing and dyno plots, but it would be better if both systems were tuned by the same person. Someone competent and unbiased.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sqwerz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think those #'s suck for what you got! </TD></TR></TABLE>

if you rode in the car you wouldn't say it sucked