Hey guys, i need some help deciding between two different projects. I can either buy a sonic blue gsr stripped interior and most of exterior and a few motor parts missing for 3400 or i can buy a Red gsr for $2495 with no engine ecu tranny, but perfect body and interior. If i bought the red shell i would want to drop in a type r motor and boost it then i would paint it that sonic blue. Either way i am going to boost it two months afterwards. I have a ton of questions though
How long does the type r motor have to be broken in before i boost?
I heard rumors that the type r isnt as great as the b18c1 for boost because of the higher compression, is that true??
How difficult is it to drop a type r swap complete w everything (ecu,axels, etc) into a 96gsr?? I have alot of experience w the b16a's but none with the b18's.. is there any major difference with working on the two?
Can a c1 or c5 handle more boost w stock internals?
Any reccomendations for upgrades while the motor is out?

So far it seems like the gsr is def best for the swap w boost esp. because of the lsd, but i dont know as much as i would like to about this swap. I am looking for answers for people who have done this personally and know all of the pros/cons..
Thanks for all your help!!

 

I'd say go with the one with the full interior and put the R motor in it, but thats just me. I use my car for things other than just racing it. I run a boosted R and love it. I put the turbo on mine with out doing anything else, but that is going to change within a month or so (i'm not driving it in the mean time because it is winter, but i could if I wanted. You can see my car here http://www.ScottstypeR.s5.com sorry about the pop-ups, its a free website. the next mods I am planning are...

Thermal 3" Exhaust
High Flow Catalytic Converter
Custom 3" Downpipe
550cc Injectors
AEM EMS
STR Fuel Rail
Dyno Tuning
Greddy Type S low Off Valve
Greddy Profec Boost Controller
Having a High/Low Boost seting of 6 psi (daily driving) and 10 psi (race applications)

There are a lot of guys with boosted R's with all stock internals running 10 psi daily. So its all what you want to use the car for. If you have more questions about the Turbo R engine, check out http://www.ITRCA.com there are a lot of guys with boosted r's on that site.

 

well what ever you do i have the parts for you and im 5 min outside allentown . i say boost a b18c1

 

i would say if you have a choice go with the C1, and just put an lsd in that tranny.less headaches in the long run and still alot of power can be made

 

Do you plan on building the engine, or just an off the shelf turbo kit?

 

its also depends on how much HP you would like to make. if any ques, just pm me...i live about a half hr from allentown

 

Type RRRRRRRRRRRRR of course

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but i still miss my old gsr...only had her for 3 weeks then this huge wall jumped out in front on me

 

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but i still miss my old gsr...only had her for 3 weeks then this huge wall jumped out in front on me </TD></TR></TABLE>

Drinking too much of Uncle Bob's cough syrup I bet.....

Hype R=

 

gsr block + itr head = lower compression and you get to keep higher redline.

 

I think i have everything figured out: Here is my set up, im still not sure about the block components though.
B18c1 motor and trans.
qualti (sp???) LSD
P&P for turbo gsr head with ctr and itr cams
lightwieght valves
feria(sp??) springs
titianium retainers
Greddy 18g turbo kit @8psi
HKS BOV
Electronic boost controller, not sure which one yet.. any suggestions
STOCK head gasket,
I dont know about exhaust yet. I'm prob just giong to get it custom 3"
blockgaurd
Rota lightweight wheels.
The swap comes with everything - axels,ecu, etc... Do i need to upgrade my axles at all? Im looking to be starting out with about 200 at the wheels and maybee up the boost eventually so i get about 250...

This is all going into an empty enginebay so i get to choose everything that makes me go ....

 

i dont think you will be happy with the Greddy kit.IMO if your looking for a kit youd be better off with an off the shelf Revhard kit or something. your power from a Greddy at 7psi to a Revhard/Drag or something at 7psi will be a very noticable difference.

 

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Why do you say that? Isn't 7 psi just that? Or are you saying the greddy kit isn't as "efficient" as say a t3/t4 for that level?

 

I did alot of research and im puttin it on myself. I cant weld myself and i am trying to do as much as i personally can. I dont want to be like that chic on discovery channel who undid a few bolts and claimed she did all the work. On the greddy kit the most i have to weld is the bov, which my bf can do. It is my first boost experience (yes, im a boost virgin ) so i dont want anything too extreme as far as install. I want to get hands on basic experience first, then ill go all out.

 

you make more hp per psi with larger turbo.. its also more complicated than just running 5 or 7psi.. you want to choose turbo so it will run in efficiency range on compressor map..

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C1 engine is what i would go with. If you have a c5 then it's an obvious choice but imo it would alot cheaper to go with a c1 since you will be buying the motor. And the greddy kit is good if all you want it to say you have a turbo. I've seen only a handfull of people making good power with one. The best way would be a pieced together kit or IMO a full race kit.

 

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its all about flow. a td05 and a t3/t4 at 7 psi will be much different.

 

Allentown huh....unfortunately i am familiar with the place because my bro is a damn cop there.

On Topic: Good luck with you decision and if you havent already made up your mind, my recommendation would be to boost the C1. You are going to find that you will pay a lot more for the R motor then you will the GSR. So save the money you would spend on the R and build your GSR.

Oh and i will be up to Allentown this May for the damn cops wedding so perhaps ill roll up in my car and we can meet up. Later

 

Yep just lemme know when ur gunna be around and we can hang out for a bit or w.e. My car should be done by mid april so it will be a great time hehe.

 

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Do you ever go to Auto Addictions for parts or anything....My buddy had his springs put on at Carlisle show by the Auto Addictions vender there. I know at the time they had an Champ White R as there show car. My bro says that he goes by there on patrol and has seen it a couple times now. Yeah that be cool to cruize around....never had my car to Allentown. I know there is another guy on here from Allentown whose R is boosted. You ever seen it running around?

 

Yeah i know of auto addictions. They dont have a good rep here though. Their sales guys were tellin the customers that the prices were higher than what they should have been. They would enter in the comp that they sold it for the lower price and pocket the extra money. Apparently they fired those guys, but their prices are still some of the highest i have ever seen. They are just too expensive for the slow shipping they have. If you ever go there make sure you get a receipt and know when your product is coming in. My friend waited to supralegras for 8 months. He also had his deposit stolen by the sales guy. My bf also bought a greddy lip from there that was used for $250. When he went back to get prices for something else the other sales guy said he should have only paid $200 for that. Scott Greendawalt (sp) is cool though. I didnt know that he worked there until recently but he drives a 00 si with jrsc and some nice body work. I only met him a few times, but he was really nice. I acctually live right down the street from aa so i pass it everyday. I know wat r ur takling about but i never saw it up close. I havent seen it there in ahwile, but i havent really been lookin for it either.

 

I dont think Auto Addictions is that bad, i have done business with them for years.
But i have seen the CW boosted R before i did mine, that made up my mind when i saw that. it was an oriental kid, nice car from what i saw. I seen it off of Lehigh street if i remember correctly.
I didnt think there were this many people from the area, im not too far from you guys, im right outside of Reading

 

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But i have seen the CW boosted R before i did mine, that made up my mind when i saw that. it was an oriental kid, nice car from what i saw. I seen it off of Lehigh street if i remember correctly.
I didnt think there were this many people from the area, im not too far from you guys, im right outside of Reading</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah man i have talked to you several times now....i am not as close to you as Allentown is but we are easily within a nice meets time. Once we get some nicer days we should really all get together and just roll around or go to the strip.

 

im always down to hook up and mess around . just let me know.
Sorry i didnt remember you, i get tons of PM;s and emials a day from here and other sites i go on. its nuts, lol

 

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No biggie at all...that def be cool to roll some weekend.

 

I'd say B18C1, 2 head gaskets, ARP studs, 370cc injectors, VAFC, and a decent turbo kit.

With just that, you'll be on your way to mid to high 11 second timeslips.